Russian Tensions
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January 31, 2022 at 11:39 pm #226035ALBKeymaster
I thought you were talking about popular opinion rather than government policy. Anyway, here’s more about Rumania and Russia.
February 1, 2022 at 1:48 pm #226043AnonymousInactiveFebruary 1, 2022 at 2:12 pm #226044AnonymousInactiveThe article published in the Socialist Standard for February on Ucrania is perfect. A translation has been published on the website of the World Socialist Movement. Simple, concise, and precise
February 1, 2022 at 4:37 pm #226049alanjjohnstoneKeymasterhttps://www.worldsocialism.org/wsm/2022/02/01/ruido-de-sables-sobre-ucrania/
Bonzo Johnson hiding from the Sue Gray Partygate scandal by posing as a war-leader with a visit to Ukraine to urge a more bellicose response from the Ukrainians and a £88m gift at a time when all other UK foreign aid is being cut to the bone.
Defence minister Ben Wallace visits other Eastern European countries to get them on board for a robust military response.
I wonder if the US and UK know the Einstein quote
You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war.February 1, 2022 at 5:40 pm #226051AnonymousInactiveThe Socialist Party has always hit the head of the nail in every world conflict, we have a good hammer, there are hundreds of leftwing organizations who are totally lost and disoriented ( or disorienting ) in this particular conflict with Ukraine. The similarity between the USRR and the Cuban missiles crisis is a good point
February 1, 2022 at 7:41 pm #226054AnonymousInactiveExcept that, unlike the Cuban crisis, you don’t believe nuclear war is likely?
February 1, 2022 at 9:28 pm #226055AnonymousInactiveIn the midst of it all, Hungary has done a great deal with Russia for gas, and says it’ll last until 2036 … So, they are still thinking we’ve got those years ahead.
February 1, 2022 at 10:20 pm #226056AnonymousInactiveAbiezer_Coppe
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Except that, unlike the Cuban crisis, you don’t believe nuclear war is likely?The Soviets had to retreat and they pulled all their military hardware, it was just another way to move weapons from one to another, it does show that the soviet union was not so powerful despite the fact that in that time it was more influential than Russia now. I will base my case on the main idea that the cause of war is the market, and it is not a president, and that war is the last resource to be used by the capitalist when everything failed, and they did a lot of negotiations
February 2, 2022 at 10:46 am #226069AnonymousInactiveThe market pushes the govts to act, and will push the presidents to press the red buttons.
Everyone here is confident that NATO will not take Ukraine as a member, but I don’t see them backing down.
February 2, 2022 at 11:04 am #226070alanjjohnstoneKeymasterPerhaps developments in the Middle East may change America’s priorities.
Albeit the might of the USA can indeed fight multiple wars simultaneously.
February 2, 2022 at 8:16 pm #226075AnonymousInactiveWith Washington actively impeding Russia’s accumulation of capital (closing Nordstream 2 etc.), then Russia will of course go to war.
February 2, 2022 at 8:43 pm #226078AnonymousInactiveAnd, it was Russia that stopped them getting their hands on Syria, which must still pique.
February 2, 2022 at 10:38 pm #226079alanjjohnstoneKeymasterOur danger is as what can be described as Third-Campists is that we don’t appear to be too sympathetic to the Russians and too anti-American.
As they say, it takes two to tango.
Time for our internationalism to express itself and another call for one-world socialism be the demand.
Our last Discord meeting’s Q and A touched on the subject of countries and nation-states.
February 3, 2022 at 1:33 am #226085AnonymousInactiveI know. I just want to gauge how much you think this could go nuclear this time, because if that happens, there will never be a socialist world to enjoy.
February 3, 2022 at 1:31 pm #226092AnonymousInactiveBut what would NATO say to Ukraine if the latter asks why they can’t become a member?
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