Russell Brand and Nigel Farage on Question Time tonight.
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alanjjohnstone wrote:For example, Vin, i would like to see you concentrate once again on your flash animation/music which was extremely positive and we should begin to seriously link to its message on our websites and the various discussion lists we visit, getting others to reay it also. That is what i mean…something concrete that you do, rather than this wishful thinking about the Brand Effect. Its all about promoting our own unique brand, isn't it !
I did this one some time back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UcYhx-24z0 but it uses Lennon and I know some members are anti-Lennonist
In case anybody missed it, an interview with Ricky Tomlinson which some will find interesting of another politicalised comedianhttp://www.theguardian.com/culture/2014/dec/27/ricky-tomlinson-interview-im-a-whingeing-scouser
Ricky Tomlinson is an interesting parallel case in that he also has an unsavoury past: he was a member, even a candidate, of the National Front in his youth (he comes from a Liverpool Protestant background) before becoming a militant trade unionist in the building trade and "celebrity" actor and comedian. He's now a member/supporter of Arthur Scargill's SLP, i.e no revolutionary but a supporter of state capitalism in one country (in the event, Britain).The parallel is, if he can be forgiven for once being in the NF why can't Brand be forgiven for some of his previous antics. Or is it a case of "once a fascist, not always a fascist" but not of "once a sexist, not always a sexist"?
There are a lot of people who will have to be 'forgiven' if we are to achieve a majority. I hope Brand, Tomlinson and Scarghill become socialists and join the WSM. I have no desire to be in a small party of unforgiveness
Quote:There are a lot of people who will have to be 'forgiven' if we are to achieve a majority. I hope Brand, Tomlinson and Scarghill become socialists and join the WSM. I have no desire to be in a small party of unforgivenessAs i jest on the other thread Vin, it might even include the Pope one day. And who better to forgive our new comrades' past sins than he.
Vin wrote:I hope Brand, Tomlinson and Scarghill become socialists and join the WSM.I don't and they won't anyway. But I hope many workers, who of necessity won't be in awe of celebrities and leaders, will.
Quote:I have no desire to be in a small party of unforgivenessReally? Are you sure about that? What about the member your branch recently expelled? Didn't he qualify for 'forgiveness'?
gnome wrote:Vin wrote:I hope Brand, Tomlinson and Scarghill become socialists and join the WSM.I don't and they won't anyway. But I hope many workers, who of necessity won't be in awe of celebrities and leaders, will.
Quote:I have no desire to be in a small party of unforgivenessReally? Are you sure about that? What about the member your branch recently expelled? Didn't he qualify for 'forgiveness'?
Are you serious? You are comparing a left wing reformists like Scargill and Thomlinson to someone who would fuck or murder your child or grandchild given the chance? I forgive Scarghill for fuck all. He fought tooth and nail for my union but as for paedophiles are concerned they can fuck right off. I would hang them up by their toes and beat them to death with a base ball bat. But , hey. that's just a personal fantasy, not branch policy Tho' I believe some NERB members may sympathise with that view
Really? Are you sure about that? What about the member your branch recently expelled? Didn't he qualify for 'forgiveness'?The matter which "Comrade gnome" refers to, has not even appeared before the EC. How can we have, "expelled" anyone?Do you know about the case gnome. Are you trying to elicit, succeeding to elicit, a desired response? Otherwise known as "trolling"!!! Why not leave the NERB motion for the January EC to decide upon?If you know the outcome now, how do you?Please gnome, desist from your uncomradely and uncharitable posts. I have a copy of this, in case it is deleted.
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I think if Brand became a socialist and applied to join I would be in favour of 'forgiving' his past and would vote for his application.If he also became a convicted paedophile and campaigned to remove the legal restrictions on child abuse and viewed the party as a means to that end, then I would oppose his application. I don't think it has anything to do with 'forgiveness'
gnome wrote:Vin wrote:I hope Brand, Tomlinson and Scarghill become socialists and join the WSM.I don't and they won't anyway. But I hope many workers, who of necessity won't be in awe of celebrities and leaders, will.
Quote:I have no desire to be in a small party of unforgivenessReally? Are you sure about that? What about the member your branch recently expelled? Didn't he qualify for 'forgiveness'?
Interesting.Is there a bar on millionaires joining the WSM? If Brand wanted to join the SPGB would his multi million pound fortune be an obstacle?I was also wondering if the rules of socialism mean he is now a capitalist?
SocialistPunk wrote:Interesting.Is there a bar on millionaires joining the WSM? If Brand wanted to join the SPGB would his multi million pound fortune be an obstacle?I was also wondering if the rules of socialism mean he is now a capitalist?We have had capitalists in the party, but not sure if we still have. I don't think those member who oppose celebreties and millionairs joining the movement are in a majority, thank Marx.Recent events have shown that the majority common sense will eventually rule over petty prejudices. Which proves that the party is democratic and a worthy vehicle for a socialist movement.
From an email received yesterday at Head Office:
Quote:By drawing on the teachings of Marx, Gramsi, and other revolutionary scholars
I will propose how Brand, despite of all his criticisms from the left,
would've actually been supported by the godfathers of the left.The main focus of my argument would be how the reach of Brand’s influence
has bypassed revolutionary campaigners like Noam Chomsky who've worked
tirelessly towards promoting positive change.Unfortunately their work is exclusively confined to those actively interested
in the subject of political thinking and fails to reach the disengaged and
uninformed masses. However Brand is on hand to turn the volume up, not just
literally with his intrusive cockney twang, but with his established channels
of influence acting as extra antennas to disperse the frequencies of
revolution far and wide, directly to those who need to hear it most.The successful way in which Brand has embedded himself within the mainstream
communicative channels of influence in society (YouTube, Television, Standup
Comedy) to advocate revolution is relatively unprecedented in the modern day
social media generation. He has been the first revolutionary to harness the
21st century tools of mass communication in such an effective way and with
this he holds great potential to spread the message of change far and wide.This is why I believe he shouldn't be ridiculed by the left, for it is
disunity which is the main down fall of the wing from pursuing positive
change.double posting
Chomsky for me, has done fuck all for the revolutionary movement for Socialism! Brand, whether one agrees or disagrees, has put "Revolution" on the agenda. It is up to us "piss ants" to explain what "revolution" is, and where we want it to lead to! Nee bother! you think?The doors ajar, put our fucking boot in it and push it open, all the way. Any revolutionary takers?
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