Republic vs democracy vs anarchy
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Capitalist Pig has commented on: "Republic vs democracy vs anarchy"—-you talk in very vague terms and it seems you don't really understand whatyou are saying. You aren't going to convert people to your ideology byrelentlessly demonizing capitalism. You are starting to remind me of areligious fanatic that preeches the end of the world if you don't conform totheir set of beliefs. sorry but I can't keep hitting my head against a brickwall anymore —-Right on CP. Best regards,JP – http://www.grb.net
You have been unable to counter anything put up.Here is some more grist to the mill.https://geopolitics.co/2017/03/16/is-the-trump-administration-really-an-anti-establishment/
Matt wrote:You have been unable to counter anything put up.Here is some more grist to the mill.https://geopolitics.co/2017/03/16/is-the-trump-administration-really-an-anti-establishment/For Pig, Ponzi and others unwilling to visit that link here are salient extracts:
Quote:US foreign policy [under Trump] remains the same as far as the movement of military assets in many regions around the world is concerned.In fact, the same policy is even dwarfing Obama’s indecision in places like Syria, or in the immediate vicinity of Iran, China and Russia, where the Pentagon has augmented its forces by the hundreds, or thousands, of troops and equipment, depending on the location.Just recently, the Pentagon deployed B-52 bombers, 400 airmen for Iraq and Syria campaign. But, only three days ago, Syrian President Assad had already made it clear that all those forces that were not invited to Syria are invaders.So, why would Trump send these war materiel to Syria, South Korea, and near the Russian borders, if indeed the US president is any different than his predecessors?Even the new US Ambassador to the UN, Nikki Haley, is still parroting the same old “Never trust Russia” song, like her predecessor Samantha Power did.[…..]So, is the Trump administration really anti-establishment?Just because it is standing up against the offensives of the Deep State doesn’t really mean it’s anti-establishment, because the latter is more than just a co-opted mass media and a conscripted CIA.The military industrial complex, and the entire financial system which is very excited in seeing how its portfolio begun picking up once again, are still standing like never before. They haven’t changed management yet, no matter what we’ve heard from the grapevine.No, the Trump administration is not purely anti-establishment. He’s just a change in approach and strategy to the growing mass awakening that has since engulfed the planet owing to the interconnectivity of the internet.Once again, they are one step ahead, and we are mere spectators, still.Sadly, that’s all our fault.Capitalist Pig wrote:if you don't want to talk about the topic of the forum than gtfoThe answers, the explanation, and the analysis have already been given in this forum. The answers have proven that you do not know anything about Democracy, Republic or Anarchism. You should take a notebook and start to learn from the members of this forum. This is a forum of the Socialist Party of Great Britain, a member of the World Socialist Movement, who has existed since 1904, and our maximum program and our objective is socialism, it is not to support bourgoiser candidates, bandits of capitalism, to support the stupidty and the poison of nationalism and patriotism which are backward components of the bourgoise ideology
mcolome1 wrote:Capitalist Pig wrote:if you don't want to talk about the topic of the forum than gtfoThe answers, the explanation, and the analysis have already been given in this forum. The answers have proven that you do not know anything about Democracy, Republic or Anarchism. You should take a notebook and start to learn from the members of this forum. This is a forum of the Socialist Party of Great Britain, a member of the World Socialist Movement, who has existed since 1904, and our maximum program and our objective is socialism, it is not to support bourgoiser candidates, bandits of capitalism, to support the stupidty and the poison of nationalism and patriotism which are backward components of the bourgoise ideology
Its very simple, do you want the majority to be unlimited without any legal safeguards for the protection of the rights of the individual or do you want the majority to be limited which safeguard the rights of the minority and the individual or do you just want anarchism i.e no form of government at all.
Capitalist Pig wrote:Its very simple, do you want the majority to be unlimited without any legal safeguards for the protection of the rights of the individual or do you want the majority to be limited which safeguard the rights of the minority and the individual or do you just want anarchism i.e no form of government at all.Socialism = No government, No state, No borders, No medium of exchange (i.e. money, etc.). Is that simple enough for you?
Capitalist Pig wrote:Its very simple, do you want the majority to be unlimited without any legal safeguards for the protection of the rights of the individual or do you want the majority to be limited which safeguard the rights of the minority and the individual or do you just want anarchism i.e no form of government at all.Let me ask you. Do you want the earth and its resourses to be owned and under the control of a tiny minority or would you prefer that it was held in common and under the democratic control of us all? Simple enoughWe make it it clear that we want the earth's resources to be owned and controlled by us all. The earth and its resources are the common heritage of us all.You confuse a simple issue with all the same 'liberal' rubbish that has always been used by those in favour of capitalism.How can you talk about this 'right' and that 'right' while most people own nothing and millions live in extreme poverty while 8 people own more wealth than half the world's population together.?We are organising to take democratic control of the state machinery and use it to take the earth back from the parasites that own it.to facilitate free voluntary cooperation in production and free access to all goods and services. Government and the state -which has developed to serve the interests of these parasites – will no longer be needed.
Capitalist Pig wrote:Its very simple, do you want the majority to be unlimited without any legal safeguards for the protection of the rights of the individual or do you want the majority to be limited which safeguard the rights of the minority and the individual or do you just want anarchism i.e no form of government at all.What safeguards? like we have now?The number of people displaced by conflict is at the highest level ever recorded, the UN refugee agency says.It estimates that 65.3m people were either refugees, asylum seekers or internally displaced at the end of 2015, an increase of 5m in a year.This represents one in every 113 people on the planet, the UN agency says.Meanwhile, the UN refugee chief says a worrying "climate of xenophobia" has taken hold in Europe as it struggles to cope with the migrant crisis.The influx of people, the biggest since World War Two, has led to greater support for far-right groups and controversial anti-immigration policies.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-36573082http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/20/world/unhcr-displaced-peoples-report/We want no frontiers, no nations, no prices, no waged slavery, no elites, no governments over people.A commonly owned world, with production for use and not for sale, run by ourselves, using recallable delegatory democratic means where necessary, with free access to the common produce.
it seems you don't really want to discuss what the best form of government would be but instead want to repeat your propaganda. might as well chant "peace land bread" then instead!
Capitalist Pig wrote:it seems you don't really want to discuss what the best form of government would be but instead want to repeat your propaganda. might as well chant "peace land bread" then instead!There will not be any government over people in the post-capitalist society.We want no frontiers, no nations, no prices, no waged slavery, no elites, no governments over people.A commonly owned world, with production for use and not for sale, run by ourselves, using recallable delegatory democratic means where necessary, with free access to the common produce.
sounds nice but it means absolutely nothing. I'm just astonished by the unwillingness to even discuss the possiblilities of government or even make the case that no government would be nessesary. really shows how cut off from reality you are. sad.
Capitalist Pig wrote:sounds nice but it means absolutely nothing. I'm just astonished by the unwillingness to even discuss the possiblilities of government or even make the case that no government would be nessesary. really shows how cut off from reality you are. sad.Define what you mean by government in that case CP. If you mean by that simply administration then of course there will be administration in socialist society which much like today will be multitiered – local regional and global – and where collective decisionmaking will be made on a democratic basis and obviously to a much greater extent than is the case today If you mean by government, the state machine then no – there will be no state in a socialist society since if you understand your Marxist theory, you will know that the state is essentially an instrument of class rule, Since there will be no economic classes in socialism there cannot exist a state in socialism. Its fairly straightforward really. What specifiically about all this do you not understand? You really need to be more clear about what precisely it is you want to know before making sweeping claims that others here are "unwilling" to discuss whatever it is you want to know about it
government, administration doesn't make a difference. At least you will give me your opinion instead of regurgitating propoganda and slogans. So why do you think majority rule is a good idea?
Capitalist Pig wrote:government, administration doesn't make a difference. At least you will give me your opinion instead of regurgitating propoganda and slogans. So why do you think majority rule is a good idea?It does make a difference.Government is administration over people.Free access, non governmental socialism is the people administer over resources.You already know this.
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