Religious freedom
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February 2, 2021 at 9:19 pm #213404
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InactiveThe Philosopher
Terry Jones’ Medieval Lives“Monty Python star and medieval enthusiast Terry Jones takes us on a tour of the Middle Ages. He looks at the medieval scientist, or philosopher as they were known then, showing how they experimented on a huge scale and made key scientific discoveries. He argues that most of them had a more ethical approach than that to be found in today’s commercialised world of science.”
bbc.co.uk
February 2, 2021 at 9:23 pm #213405Anonymous
InactiveFebruary 2, 2021 at 10:13 pm #213407james19
ParticipantThey are some nice church’s here too. I know this because 2
Russian agents said to be at the centre of the Salisbury nerve agent attack said they visited the “wonderful” English city
as tourists to see its cathedral, “famous for its 123-metre spire.” You learn something new every day.The Roman Catholic Church found Galileo guilty of heresy. For his ‘belief’ that the Earth rotated around the Sun. That the Earth was not immovable centre of the universe. The Roman Catholic Church: “We order that by a public edict the book of Dialogues of Galileo Galilei be prohibited.”
If the Roman Catholic Church behaves like this in its past, what about its other “scriptures” today? Scriptures on abortion, contraception, single mothers, Heaven and hell? The devil. What it is that constitutes ’sin.’ I was taught god was everywhere, a bit like CCTV is everywhere. I don’t accept there’s an after life. I don’t accept god moves in mysterious ways. Just as I don’t believe in fairies at the bottom of the garden.
I don’t believe everything in gods work, either. Religion is about getting into the heads of young impressionable minds.
Why not let children grow up, then they can choose whether to be god worshippers or not?
The good news is people are less interested in religion now than ever.
YFSFebruary 2, 2021 at 10:27 pm #213410Anonymous
InactiveTalking about Gospel Music, this is Gospel music for dancing
February 2, 2021 at 10:55 pm #213411Anonymous
InactiveAnd this is Old Roman chant, before the reforms of Pope Gregory the Great in the sixth century, when it was replaced by Gregorian chant. Notice the Byzantine influence.
February 2, 2021 at 11:03 pm #213412Anonymous
InactiveAnd pagan Roman music. This CD includes an ancient Egyptian hymn.
February 2, 2021 at 11:37 pm #213414Anonymous
InactiveFebruary 3, 2021 at 8:10 am #213422ALB
KeymasterHere’s what we are up against:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/8/pakistan-court-sentences-three-to-death-for-blasphemy
And we’re supposed to have sympathy for them when they get a mild taste of their own medicine?
February 3, 2021 at 10:52 am #213430Anonymous
InactiveNot at all.
Socialism won’t allow people to do harm. Nor will it punish. It will forcefully restrain anyone or any group, religious or not, that would do harm.February 3, 2021 at 11:27 am #213433Anonymous
InactiveI may know there are no fairies in the natural world, but I can draw fairies, craft them in stained glass, use them as decoration, put them into fairy tales, and suspend disbelief in order to amuse and entertain. Thus I enjoyed Father Christmas as a child, and my father did not deny me him; but, knowing myth from truth, I enjoyed and still enjoy both. If fanciful creatures are creations of the human mind, that too is reality as long as it is not the symptom of drug damage nor the imposition of charlatans and exploiters, but merely the plaything of art and imagination, and known to be such. The prestidigitator does not pretend like the fraud does, but is openly an entertainer. So can a socialist appreciate the beautiful in art, literature and music of a religion whilst discarding its beliefs and historical iniquities, the facts of which s/he knows and will tell of.
So we can admire and try to recreate the beautiful designs and architecture of the Moors, and restore them and maintain them, without becoming Muslims, and so with medieval cathedrals and art, without becoming Christians.February 3, 2021 at 3:01 pm #213435Wez
Participant‘So can a socialist appreciate the beautiful in art, literature and music of a religion whilst discarding its beliefs and historical iniquities, the facts of which s/he knows and will tell of.’
TM – But it’s not as simple as that – aesthetics can be used to subvert and pervert the political and moral values of the working class. The beautiful in art so often disguises an ugly ideology (Christianity, Fascism etc.) and is one of the most powerful propaganda tools available.
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February 3, 2021 at 3:44 pm #213437Anonymous
InactiveGiven that socialism will have been achieved by a population no longer susceptible to frauds, then it is as simple as that. Otherwise you must support the banning of anti-socialist opinion.
Or are you, then, for the bulldozing and destruction of the ancient?
February 3, 2021 at 4:00 pm #213439Wez
Participant‘Or are you, then, for the bulldozing and destruction of the ancient?’
Neither – just pointing out that the aesthetically pleasing can serve destructive purposes.-
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February 3, 2021 at 4:23 pm #213441Anonymous
InactiveTrue. But in socialism it couldn’t.
That’s the joy of William Morris’ dream: we can have the aesthetic beauty of past ages without the misery.February 3, 2021 at 4:46 pm #213443Anonymous
InactiveThe religious who will and do always oppose socialism are not the moderates who enjoy liturgical forms, rites and art, but the fanatics, like the fundamentalists, who reject history and are proud of their ignorance of it. They are the ones who likewise reject science and evolution, and expose everyone to constant verbal diarrhoea about their beliefs. They are also apocalypsists and armageddonists who have no love for this Earth.
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