Quotes from Karl Marx

[Anonymous]

I think it is only problematic if  'vouchers' or 'credits' were related to labour-time rather than  distributed on the socialist principle  'to each according to need'. The vouchers could simply represent goods and services. edit. 'labour time' vouchers assume scarcity 

[Young Master Smeet]

You mean more like the wartime ration book?  the critique of that approach is obviously th amount of effort and faff involved, especially where gods are relatively widely available: it's another option.Other options are queuing, lottery, shadow system prices, voting systems, preference games and simple free access.  Each has its  attractions and demerits.

[Anonymous]

I don't think the queuing would be a problem these days, with the self service checkouts, lol. I think these will be handy to count  stocks. But I digress  

[SocialistPunk]

Are there any quotes from Marx, whereby he outlines socialism/communism as being a society of common ownership and democratic control of the worlds resources, by and for the community? 

[Dave B]

 To VIn I know someone who wrote the computer code for some of the first EPOS and stock control systems used in the UKin the late 1980’s. I asked if they would still work if they set all the prices to zero and she said they would; or the ones she wrote would. Although despite being a communist she said that she didn’t really write them with that in mind. On Socialist Punks query Stalin pulled out some useful ones in 1906. http://www.marx2mao.com/Stalin/AS07.html#c3

[Dave B]

that Karl quote in the standard on universal suffrage is better source as below I think. It even has a image of the original Egalite.  Karl Marx and Jules Guesde 1880The Programme of the Parti Ouvrier  Considering, That this collective appropriation can arise only from the revolutionary action of the productive class – or proletariat – organized in a distinct political party;That a such an organization must be pursued by all the means the proletariat has at its disposal including universal suffrage which will thus be transformed from the instrument of deception that it has been until now into an instrument of emancipation;  https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/05/parti-ouvrier.htm  there was another similar one from Fred later. The franchise has been, in the words of the French Marxist program, "transformé, de moyen de deperie gu'il a été jusqu'ici, en instrument d' émancipation"—they have transformed it from a means of deception, which it was heretofore, into an instrument of emancipation  http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1850/class-struggles-france/intro.htm apologies if it has already been covered

[ALB]

SocialistPunk wrote:

Are there any quotes from Marx, whereby he outlines socialism/communism as being a society of common ownership and democratic control of the worlds resources, by and for the community?

Some references are given in this article:http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/1970s/1973/no-832-december-1973/marxs-conception-socialism

Quote:

Natural resources and the man-made instruments of production would be held in common: Marx speaks of "a community of free individuals, carrying on their work with the means of production in common" (Vol. I, p. 78) and, in his Critique of the Gotha Programme, of "the co-operative society based on the common ownership of the means of production" (p. 22) and of "the material conditions of production" being "the cooperative property of the workers themselves" (p. 25). It is significant that Marx never defined communist society in terms of the ownership and control of the means of production by the State, but rather in terms of ownership and control by a voluntary association of the producers themselves. He did not equate what is now called "nationalisation" with Socialism.

Marx also talks about "cooperation and the possession in common of the land and of the means of production" at the end of Chapter 32 of Volume I of Capital.

[alanjjohnstone]

Not to distract but this is also a good article by Pannekoek

Quote:

Public ownership is the ownership, i.e. the right of disposal, by a public body representing society, by government, state power or some other political body. The persons forming this body, the politicians, officials, leaders, secretaries, managers, are the direct masters of the production apparatus; they direct and regulate the process of production; they command the workers. Common ownership is the right of disposal by the workers themselves; the working class itself — taken in the widest sense of all that partake in really productive work, including employees, farmers, scientists — is direct master of the production apparatus, managing, directing, and regulating the process of production which is, indeed, their common work.

Oopps forgot the linkhttps://www.marxists.org/archive/pannekoe/1947/public-ownership.htm

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