Pumping us with weight-loss drugs.
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November 8, 2024 at 1:44 pm #254727Bijou DrainsParticipant
Don’t want to remove you from your smoke filled fugue, Chelmsford, but here are just a few of the reports on Passive Smoking
Secondary Smoking health (including Lung Cancers). My union lead the fight for safer working environments for workers. Funnily enough their work wasn’t funded by Health Agencies or the like, but by union members funds!There are even more credible studies on passive smoking that here are Trotskyist internationals, which is a hell of an ask. So put his lot into your pipe and smoke it
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November 8, 2024 at 2:08 pm #254728chelmsfordParticipantTa. Off to the Algarve Sunday ( where they allow smoking indoors), these will be ideal holiday reading.
November 8, 2024 at 2:23 pm #254729Thomas_MoreParticipantIsn’t this off-topic, Moderator?
The thread is not about health, but about the persecution of the unemployed to cut the benefits bill.
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November 8, 2024 at 4:02 pm #254731chelmsfordParticipantIt’s not about persecuting the unemployed. They have been ‘persecuted’ for years and it doesn’t seem to have done them much harm. No, It’s about lowering the value of labour-power by getting the workers to eat less.
A little research has revealed you can only smoke on balconies in the Algarve. So the health florists have even spread their testicles to Portugal, which I would argue was freer under the so-called dictator Salazar than it is under liberal democracy!
At least he allowed workers to smoke, particularly under such trying circumstances as when they were stood before the firing squad.November 8, 2024 at 4:06 pm #254732Thomas_MoreParticipant“…it doesn’t seem to have done them much harm.”
People have died as a result of their payments being stopped, you callous anti-socialist.
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December 3, 2024 at 5:39 am #255281CitizenoftheworldParticipanthttps://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/12/03/ibri-d03.htmlObesity drugs. Obesity is one of the major cause of heart diseases, it produces what is known as “bumpy roads” in the arteries, vein and capillaries, there are children who are suffering from heart diseases,
It also creates hypertension, and hypertension produces damages to the kidneys and many patients are in dialysis treatments, it also produce diabetes type 2 .
Many insurances company are going to approve the prescription of those medications because it might reduces the risk of those diseases and will not cause so many expenses for the insurance company and medical groups.
Kaiser Foundation is motivating their patients to take weight loss drugs, specially Ozempic and they have reduced the cost to $40.00 dollars ( six shots of 0.5 mg or six weeks ) for patients who have Medicare and diabetes, and they have drastically reduced the price of Metformin and Glipizedi used for diabetes type 2, for some patients it is zero cost.
I produce my own organic food and my own seeds, my own seeding plants, seeding trays, soil mix, organic fertilizers, and mini veggie can be grown indoor using flourescent lamps
There is a big world movement in South America and the Caribbeans, and there are many community gardens, coops, and there are teachers that teach for free to eat more healthy and to avoid the supermarket and processed food.
The RAVE diet is one of the best diet but it is for vegetarian only, the book comes with recipes, for peoples who eat meat, they are breeding quails, ( meat and eggs ) rabbits, and fish on fish ponds and the water can be used for the raised beds.
There are some agronomical techniques like Square foot gardening that teaches to produce a lot of vegetables, some universities the department of Agronomy have experimental places that provides free
classes, seeds and techniquesI have just open a discussion forum to teach peoples how to eat and produce healthy foods, how to create their own community gardens, raised beds, soil mix, greenhouse, to turn their backyard into a small farm
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December 3, 2024 at 6:09 am #255283CitizenoftheworldParticipantIf I am out of topics the moderator can remove it
December 3, 2024 at 10:15 am #255286Thomas_MoreParticipantYou are missing the point. This isn’t about the dangers of obesity. It’s about the possibility that, to throw those not producing surplus value for the capitalists back onto the wage-slave market, the taking away of “benefits” (dole payments) could be used to threaten those who refuse to take the drugs; drugs from which there has been already a death and debilitating side-effects not yet fully examined.
As for a healthy lifestyle, for many that is not much of an option under capitalism, where other factors can often be behind obesity and bad health, and where leisure in a healthy sense is not available to all, nor is time and stamina for vegetable gardening on top of the day-to-day stresses of “the mortal coil.”
Not to mention lack of finances.Of course you could side with the tennis-playing, horse-riding bourgeois, and just say: “Get down the job centres, you lazy workers, and lose the flab; take the dangerous drugs or lose your pittances.”
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December 3, 2024 at 10:17 am #255287CitizenoftheworldParticipantThat is reason why I asked the moderator to delete my post
December 3, 2024 at 11:32 am #255291Thomas_MoreParticipantDecember 3, 2024 at 12:21 pm #255299CitizenoftheworldParticipantOzempic is not producing those side effects, it has been proven that they are effective and safe. It sound like the covid 19 anti vaxxers who were looking for all kind of pretext to indicate that they were killing peoples which is not true either. Moderna is one of the best covid 19 vaccine, there were some vaccine made in China that were not effective
https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/06/health/compounded-semaglutide-deaths-novo-nordisk-ceo/index.htmlCompounded semaglutide are not authorized and some patients that do not have diabetes are getting those injections, and some doctors are prescribing those medications to celebrities
https://www.fda.gov/drugs/postmarket-drug-safety-information-patients-and-providers/fdas-concerns-unapproved-glp-1-drugs-used-weight-lossThis is what is causing deaths. Those reports are totally incorrect and misleading
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December 3, 2024 at 1:50 pm #255305Thomas_MoreParticipantI’m not an anti-vaxxer, but that doesn’t mean I support an uncritical, all-accepting approach to Big Pharma. Like everything under capitalism, its priority isn’t health, but capital accumulation. If the two sometimes coincide, then there is some good; but the majority of drugs we would not need in socialism, where life’s balance would be restored, plus humanity’s healthy relationship with nature.
Fortunately, the govt has no plans that I know of to force the unemployed to take these drugs, but if they did, it would take this form:
“I don’t want to take the drug.”
“That’s fine. No one is forcing you. Your benefits will stop, that’s all.”
“But I can’t live without them. I’ll be on the street.”
“Yes, but hey, no one is forcing you.”
Disconnected thinking is typical, for example:
“I’m depressed and anxious. I haven’t enough money to live on.”
“Forget about money. Let’s just concentrate on your depression.”
(I have personal experience of that one).
December 3, 2024 at 10:26 pm #255343Bijou DrainsParticipant“but the majority of drugs we would not need in socialism, where life’s balance would be restored, plus humanity’s healthy relationship with nature.”
Sorry, TN, but that is a load of utopian horseshit.
For instance, would Socialism do away with the need for antibiotics, would suddenly deadly bacteria suddenly decide to live cooperatively with their hosts?
Would a whole host of genetic and similar conditions miraculously disappear, following the development of a society based on need not greed?
Would multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis and the many other immune system based problems suddenly be solved.
Would schizophrenia be gone from our society completely?I’ve got gout, heamochromatosis and some other conditions that are clearly linked to my family genetics, some of which link back to the Celtic peoples and to the Vikings. How will Socialism stop that?
Socialism will not be a universal panacea where all of our difficulties disappear. Families will fall out, relationships will go wrong, physical and mental illnesses will still arise, perhaps not due to the strains of surviving in a crazy economic system, but other issues will arise. Children will be killed in car accidents, or due to childhood illnesses and families will bereft through grief in socialism, some people will continue to be anti social arseholes in a socialist society, people will get drunk and obnoxious and whether you like it or not, those who enjoy football, cricket or even boxing, will continue to do so because it is what they enjoy and it is their right to do so.
When professed socialists do this “in the future there will be no need for ………..” “In socialism everyone will love each other and live on complete harmony”, it does the cause of socialism no good. This is because the general public look at that and in a perfectly reasonable way, think, that’s a load of bollocks.
Our argument is that we need to create a society where what was previously private property, i.e the means of production and distribution are commonly held, that goods and services will be produced on the basis of “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” and that the creation and administration of that society will be done on and in the interests of the vast majority. That’s it, we are not in a position to decide what that majority of people decide in the future. Will they decide to have prisons, football matches, Christmas celebrations, golf courses or Elvis impersonator? I don’t know. How will the majority decide how to deal with anti social arseholes, I don’t know either, and neither does anyone else. We may hazard a guess, but that’s as far as we can go.
I would also clarify that by use of the term private property, I do not mean personal property. In socialism people will still own their own personal property, clothes, lap tops, homes, toothbrushes, lawn mowers, fondue sets, books, etc.
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December 4, 2024 at 2:33 am #255346CitizenoftheworldParticipantThose medications like Ozempic for example were not created in order to reduce weight, the main purpose is to control the level of glucose in your blood and to reduce your Hemoglobin Aic, and patients are not forced to take those medications, the doctors are suggesting patients to take them if their glucose level is too high, and diabetes type 2 can be controlled with medications, diet and exercise.
The problem is that some patients are eating out of control and are not following a proper diet and doctors sometimes are forced to prescribe insulin and too much insulin produces obesity
Many Hollywood celebrities are injecting themselves that type of medications in order to reduce weight and they are not diabetic, and they do not follow the proper instructions and the proper dose, and there was a shortage of those medications because doctors were buying them in order to prescribe it to their patients,
Kaiser is only prescribing them to patients with diabetes every six weeks. Fentanyl is used in hospital to relieve pain after surgery, but peoples are buying them on the streets and they use excessive amount without medical supervision and they are dying, but Fentanyl is not the problem, it is the society of profits which sell illegal medications to produce profits, morphine is the same,
In a socialist society we are going to continue using Fentanyl and morphine for medical treatment, cannabis, coca leaves and opium are going to be planted in order to produce medications, we are not going to have a system based on profits, but it does not mean that we are not going to have some drugs addicts, we are going to have peoples suffering from depression and anxiety, socialism is not going to be a panacea, we are not going to kill all the venomous serpents when the poison can be used for medical treatment.
We might have epidemic but we are going to be able to control them in a much efficient way, better researches to develop better vaccines, and some diseases that are incurable at the present time are going to be cured quickly,
We are going to have centers to produce pharmaceutical products, but they are not going to be commodities to produce profits, they are going to be used for manking and doctors are going to continue prescribing medications for their patients in a different setup, and medicine is going to be used for mankind, we are going to have more medical schools and more medical students and less commercial restrictions for them to become doctors
In some third world countries ( traditional term ) doctors must work in the countryside with the peasants before obtaining their certifications( exequatur ) in socialism medical services are going to be extended to rural areas but despite that , there might be some problems too, it is not going to be perfect, but it is going to be much better than the service provided in a capitalist society
December 4, 2024 at 10:22 am #255355DJPParticipantAmen to the post above.
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