Protests that triggered change

[james19]

The Civil rights movement, African-Americans were not allowed to vote, 60 years ago! Depressingly the Civil rights movement and BLM are 60 years apart.

Civil rights movement
Gay rights
Berlin Wall
Arab Spring uprising
Iraq war

Four protests that triggered change – and one that didn’t https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-53161271

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[alanjjohnstone]

Ignoring the many over-throws of dictators, such as Marcos of the Philippines, the Shah of Iran. Nor Apartheid? Nor the Women’s Movement?

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[james19]

alanjjohnston We, or rather yourself haven’t. I saw this by accident, as I was looking for something else (below) on the BBC website, which I first read on Sky news, I looked for it on the BBC under ‘World’ unlike Sky, they don’t have ‘US’ news?

Andre Hill shooting: US officers stood by and failed to help as black man lay dying following police shooting

https://news.sky.com/story/andre-hill-shooting-us-officers-stood-by-and-failed-to-help-as-black-man-lay-dying-following-police-shooting-12176574

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[james19]

I remember someone telling me, in a matter of fact way, on a forum elsewhere, ‘Socialism’ is never going to happen? This was at the same time, a great example of people wanting change. Ok, all be it within the framework of Capitalism….
I used this example, it was never repeated again.
Today we have #BLM, with over 80 countries holding demonstrations in support of #BLM. Yfs

[Anonymous]

“I remember someone telling me, in a matter of fact way, on a forum elsewhere, ‘Socialism’ is never going to happen?”

They were right!

https://eand.co/why-freedom-became-free-dumb-in-america-4947e39663f2

[L.B. Neill]

They were right!- and is this tamper proof?
Education is the first process in bringing about Socialism in its proper form.
Can I alter ‘they were right” into “they where wrong”- are you okay with this- if not, why the hell post…
Yes we have BLM. Yes we have gender equity. Yes we have so many groups with an ethnomethodology focus.. yes all lives matter.
I will not surrender to: they were right- and who are they to say it was right?
Articles calling people ‘dumb’ is more Locke liberal ideology and has no place in the historical progression, ending the class struggle.
All the oppressions we call out unite us. The common protagonist, and the arch villain is the apex leadership that sees us as a divided herd- and exploits it.
Sad, is it not, very sad.
BLM and all forms of class, racial, gender, religious… and how many others… are not to divide us, but to unite us in our rich experience of being human.
‘They were right’ is akin to bowing in the dirt, turning our labour into sad and anxious offerings, then leaving nothing more than a dissipating howl at the end.
And that howl: it should be ours, or should be theirs.
We or they: they or we… collapse it. We vote it through the only suffrage common- parliament- educate and then vote.
Who are ‘they’?
Nothing more than ‘we’ and ‘they’. A simple binarism. Stop the support for the apex divisions, and know that socialism is the future organisation of society… evolving towards it.
Protest that triggers change: start with believing it will change…
Stop the defeatism- it is not socialism.
“They were right”- no… they are very wrong… very wrong.
You know, these attitudes and defeatist statements slow the whole thing down.
I am idealistic- and some say your ideal is a pipe dream- well ‘f’, tell women, and indigenous, and class communities that suffrage was an ideal.
Keep going- keep pressing ahead… or surrender to the boot that keeps us dead.
L.B

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[james19]

I remember someone telling me, in a matter of fact way, on a forum elsewhere, ‘Socialism’ is never going to happen? This was at the same time, *of the Arab Spring uprisings*, a great example of people wanting change….

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[L.B. Neill]

james19,
Is this a repeating history- or do we move on from here!

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[james19]

zusammenhang replied to me. It was then I noticed my mistake.
I could have simply inserted the line. But I can’t modify the that post. I hope it would read as I originally intended? Sorry for the mistake.
L.B. Neill, rather lengthy post I’m afraid. Not sure I understand it tbh.
YFS

[Anonymous]

“L.B. Neill, rather lengthy post I’m afraid. Not sure I understand it tbh.”

You’re not the only one, James.

BTW, you can call me Hannah if you like – zusammenhang is rather a mouthful… 🙂

[L.B. Neill]

Sorry, Hannah, a moment of sheer frustration and a post with no clear statement-
Seems to happen a lot to me these days, covid cabin syndrome… james19, yes a meandering last post- but can I ask: what is tbh short for?
If I could distil my last post: I feel disheartened at times when people think Socialism is a pipedream- and I think I was trying to put a positive in it… what a spectacular flop in delivery!
Just call me LB. L.B. Neill sounds way too pomp 🙂

[Anonymous]

“but can I ask: what is tbh short for?”

*to be honest*

“Just call me LB. L.B. Neill sounds way too pomp”

Fair enough LB.

H x

[PartisanZ]

‘zusammenhang’ is a cool name though, meaning ‘context’ or correlation. Hog Diggity dawg.

[ALB]

Sounds a bit Hegelian.

[PartisanZ]

Sounds a bit Hegelian.

You could philosophically be right.

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