New audio upload – ‘How Can We Oppose the Trade Union Bill?’
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Debate between Tosh McDonald (ASLEF, and Labour Party member) and Bill Martin (SPGB)
Venue: The Brewery Tap, Doncaster30th April, 2016
The recording can be heard here – http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/audio/how-can-we-oppose-trade-union-bill
Just listening to those two lefties completely depressed me. One of them jokingly refered to himself as a "Trot" and he even said "if you want Capitalism to work…" which encapsulates the SPGB ctritique of the "Left" because in reality humane capitalism is all they want. They just don't have the intelligence to see beyond the wages system. Hearing the main speaker rhapsodise about the glorious "victories" in the "struggle" makes me want to vomit. The WSM argument just goes completely over their heads yet they talk to us as if the SPGB is just another fragment of the broad church of leftism! After almost 120 years of effort on the part of the SPGB we are still hearing the same shit from the "Left". Their hero worship of Corbyn sickness me. Plus the same old patronising bollocks of theirs that whilst the SPGB apparently just sits on it's arse "talking" the real class warriors are out there on the barricades in the eternal war "doing something in the meantime". Fuck them all.I was also disappointed with the response of Bill Martin who just seemed to almost commiserate with them. It's a far cry from years ago when reformists like this would have been utterly demolished in a debate. Now all there is are a handful of people gassing at the back of a pub. Maybe Bill Martin just thought what's the point in even trying to engage these blowhards in debate. The guy obviously has a brilliant mind but his language would be an instant turn off to your average worker. What is so dishearteningis if these are the views of the most "enlightened" members of the working class (insofar as they have an inkling of class consciousness being trades union organisers) then what are average workers thinking? Almost fuck all by the looks of it. With their smartphones they are becoming ever more dumbed down. With a vast libaray of knowledge at their fingertips they know even less. We don't have a snowballs chance in hell of seeing Socilaism. This is the element which strikes me.
Ozymandias wrote:. What is so dishearteningis if these are the views of the most "enlightened" members of the working class (insofar as they have an inkling of class consciousness being trades union organisers) then what are average workers thinking? Almost fuck all by the looks of it. With their smartphones they are becoming ever more dumbed down. With a vast libaray of knowledge at their fingertips they know even less. We don't have a snowballs chance in hell of seeing Socilaism. This is the element which strikes me.Ozy, if what you say is the case what would you make of the Flynn Effect? http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-31556802
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