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According to my understanding, we only have one music thread and it was moved to off topic and some of the music that
I posted were erased which is discriminationMusic is more than protest music and the so called socialist music which is only a fetichism.
I will not go to a night club to dance that kind of music
Classical music, opera, jazz , etc is also music for listening and enjoyment
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What this forum needs are more topics on real socialist issues, and topics related to the needs of the world working class.( World Socialist Movement ) Win music workers do not pay rent, utilities, education, and groceries. I was a crate diggers and I am still a music collector and I had a large collection of LP vinyl that I sold to a collector and a record store owner, but I made money by selling them
What this forum needs are more topics on real socialist issues, and topics related to the needs of the world working class.( World Socialist Movement ) Wi[th?] music workers do not pay rent, utilities, education, and groceries. I was a crate diggers and I am still a music collector and I had a large collection of LP vinyl that I sold to a collector and a record store owner, but I made money by selling them
Wet blanket over here. You’re not exactly a model for serious discussion when you claim that Marx became a communist when he came into contact with anarchists…
I have been reading and studying Marx and Engels for many years ago since I was a very young person, and I have read several of his biography and one of the best one has been written by one of his closest friend which was Franz Mehring, and several of his biographers have clearly indicated that he learned the concept of stateless society, leaderless, and freely associated labor, and according to their needs from the French anarchists when he was living in France. Before Marx and Engels became socialist they were liberal petty bourgeois, and they had blanquists conception and Engels participated in an armed uprising, before Marx became an economists, the real economist was Engels, and he was subscribed to the collapsists theory, there are many things that we do not know about Marx and the new MEGA collection will show many discoveries, and I have the 52 volumes in my personal library. I participate in this forum all the time, and I am always making research, and I will always bring topics. Read an articles published by the SPGB titled what Marx would have told to Peter Kropotkin
Also I know about music because I am a music collector since I was very young. ( known as crate digger ) I am not looking for musical pieces in you tube. I used to own thousands of LP vinyl, reel to reel, DAT, and I sold them to a store owner and most of them were classical music, instrumental, opera, jazz, Brazilian, and afro cuban music, I stream music from Tidal, and Qobuz which is losless music and I can record them on a professional recorder that I own. I was also a collector of stereo equipments such as Mcintosh and Marantz. I have been involved in the world of music for many years and it is one of my favorites hobbies .
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PD Marx and Engels used the concept of communism and socialism interchangeable, and the Communist Manifesto was not a communist documents either because it contains several reformist clauses and state capitalist clauses, and they used the name communist due to historical convenience, and the manifesto at the very beginning was called the German manifesto ( which sounds like a nationalist document ) and the specter of communism was an exaggeration made by Marx. I has been proven that several of the concepts used in the Manifesto already existed within the working class, and part of the draft was written by Engels on principles of communism. There are many things that are going to be discovered about Marx that have not been published yet. Their concept of history at the very beginning was wrong and then they changed when Lewis Morgan published his book titled the Ancient society, and his anthropological notebooks have not been studied completely yet and I am studying them. They also had conceptions similar to the MensheviksAnother one of your ridiculous, arrogant, rambling posts:
Citizenofthenewworld wrote: I have been reading and studying Marx and Engels for many years ago since I was a very young person, and I have read several of his biography and one of the best one has been written by one of his closest friend which was Franz Mehring
Mehring wasn’t one of Marx’s “closest friends” and never even personally knew him. In fact, around the time of Marx’s death, both Marx and Engels were bitterly criticizing him for making claims about them in an article regarding their disagreements with the editorial board of Der Sozialdemokrat newspaper, in addition to claims about Marx’s frail health. Here’s what Engels had to say about Mehring in a letter to Eduard Bernstein on 15 July 1882:
Engels wrote: As for the actual contents of the thing, there is no reason for us to intervene. Mehring has treated the world to so many lies about us that, were we to deny just one of them, it would be tantamount to an admission that all the rest were true. For years we have let all this mendacious tittle-tattle pass unheeded, unless absolute necessity compelled us to reply. (MECW, Vol. 46, p. 292)
Citizenofthenewworld wrote: and several of his biographers have clearly indicated that he learned the concept of stateless society, leaderless, and freely associated labor, and according to their needs from the French anarchists when he was living in France.
Cite one source—any serious source (that’s how scholarship works)—regarding Marx’s supposed debt to French anarchists for specifically “teaching him,” as you claim, the concept of a stateless society and leaderless, freely associated labor. Proudhonian anarchism—let alone anarchist communism—wasn’t even a major socialist tendency in France when Marx visited in the 1840s. If anything, it was actually Marx who contributed to Proudhon’s understanding of Hegel during his sojourn in Paris. You’re just talking complete nonsense. The first anarchists who helped found the First International in 1864 (together with English trade unionists and others) were similarly mostly Proudhonists who pushed for Proudhon’s petty-bourgeois form of market socialism—which had nothing to do with a socialist/communist society as envisioned by Marx or by anarchist communists themselves. Anarchist communism, as characterized by production for need (rather than exchange), wasn’t even the most popular anarchist school of thought when the International was founded and only became so later on.
Citizenofthenewworld wrote: P[S?] Marx and Engels used the concept of communism and socialism interchangeable [nobody claimed they didn’t!], and the Communist Manifesto was not a communist documents either because it contains several reformist clauses and state capitalist clauses,
What so-called “reformist” and “state-capitalist clauses”? What are you on about?? Point to what passages you’re referring to.
Citizenofthenewworld wrote: and they used the name communist due to historical convenience,
They regarded the terms interchangeably and used the word “communist” due to how “socialist” was then associated with various forms of utopian socialism, as Engels himself later indicated in the 1888 English preface to the Manifesto (see here). The Manifesto was absolutely a communist work, in which both Marx and Engels advocated a classless society based on production for need as a goal. They similarly stated in their 1872 German preface to the Manifesto that the main thrust of the work was as relevant as ever, i.e. indicating that they still agreed with its overall themes:
Marx and Engels wrote: However much that state of things may have altered during the last twenty-five years, the general principles laid down in the Manifesto are, on the whole, as correct today as ever.
There are just so many other ridiculous claims by you here that they’re not even worth engaging with. My recommendation is for you to slow down and start basing your claims on actual sources/documents.
(Don’t know why I can’t see my posts; this site really needs to modify its spam filters.)
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