Money free party

[Anonymous]

I put the party video on the Money Free Party's Youtube site and received this offer.

 

[Brian]

Vin Maratty wrote:

I put the party video on the Money Free Party's Youtube site and received this offer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E08_EmJlpO8

I thought you were up for doing something similar?

[ALB]

I see that the Money Free Party is fielding a candidate in Bristol West in the election. Interesting to see their manifesto and how they do.There's an interview with their candidate on BBC Radio Bristol here, about 1 hour 12 minutes in for about 5 minutes:http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p050qjyqSome of what he says is not too bad.

[robbo203]

The Money Free Party seems to be particlarly strong in New Zealand for some reason though it appears to operate in 16 countries altogether http://moneyfreeparty.org.nz/index.php/meet-the-people Has the WSPNZ been in touch with them.  It is great to meet people on much the same wavelength

[Anonymous]

robbo203 wrote:

The Money Free Party seems to be particlarly strong in New Zealand for some reason though it appears to operate in 16 countries altogether http://moneyfreeparty.org.nz/index.php/meet-the-people Has the WSPNZ been in touch with them.  It is great to meet people on much the same wavelength

 Have a listen to this. about 1.13minutes in. Very interesting, Difficult to disagree with him. He even deals with your debate with LBird. He says that he is not interested in car mechanics so in a RBE he would have noting to do with it. He would participate and vote on issues of importance to him.http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p050qjyq More importantly. Why should socialists oppose this party? Apart from the fact that it is written in stone!!Would a party member be charged with action detrimental if he/she voted for the money free party? 

[Anonymous]

ALB wrote:

Some of what he says is not too bad.

Must be missing something. It was all good, to me. 

[robbo203]

Vin wrote:

robbo203 wrote:

The Money Free Party seems to be particlarly strong in New Zealand for some reason though it appears to operate in 16 countries altogether http://moneyfreeparty.org.nz/index.php/meet-the-people Has the WSPNZ been in touch with them.  It is great to meet people on much the same wavelength

 Have a listen to this. about 1.13minutes in. Very interesting, Difficult to disagree with him. He even deals with your debate with LBird. He says that he is not interested in car mechanics so in a RBE he would have noting to do with it. He would participate and vote on issues of importance to him.http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p050qjyq More importantly. Why should socialists oppose this party? Apart from the fact that it is written in stone!!Would a party member be charged with action detrimental if he/she voted for the money free party? 

 Maybe this is a prima facie case where some kind of loose, infornal electoral pact or understanding might be called for.  No doubt there are differences between the MFP and the SPGB but they hardly match up to the crucial commonalities.  If I were  resident in the UK I would obviously vote SPGB if there was a candidate in my constituency but, failing that, would definitely vote for the MFP.  They are streets ahead in their thinking compared with any so called Left or Labour Party

[ALB]

I think we need to wait to see what their candidate in Bristol puts in their manifesto. They also advocate various transitional measures (see the second page here) at least at local level:http://moneyfreeparty.org.uk/viewpage.php?page_id=19

[ALB]

Here's their candidate in Bristol's manifesto.  They are advocating a "moneyfree economy in one country":

Quote:

UK General Election June 8th 2017 Jodian Rodgers – Standing for a RESOURCE BASED ECONOMYIn June we will be voting in a general election. Are you concerned with the structure of our system of governance? Do you feel that there is no real choice? Or do you abstain from voting? If you answer yes to any of these questions and would like your vote to finally mean real change, please read on.Money Free Party would like to introduce you to a new social structure, a Resource Based Economy. It is a straightforward redesign of our culture in which the age-old inadequacies of war, poverty, hunger, debt and human suffering are viewed not only as avoidable, but as totally unacceptable. Anything less will result in a continuation of the same catalogue of problems inherent in today's world.Modern society has access to highly advanced technologies and CAN make available food, clothing, housing, medical care and a relevant educational system. We CAN develop a limitless supply of renewable, non-contaminating energy such as solar, wind and tidal. It is now possible to have everyone in the UK enjoy a very high standard of living with all of the amenities that a prosperous civilisation CAN provide. This CAN be accomplished through the intelligent anc humane application of science and technology.In a Resource Based Economy all goods and services are available to all people without the need for means of exchange such as money, credits, barter or any other means. For this to be achieved, all resources must be declared as the common heritage of all UK's inhabitants.I need your vote to make this change. We in Bristol can show the UK there is an alternative system to today's governance. Thank you and I would appreciate your vote on June 8, 2017.Jodian Rodgers Money Free Party

[robbo203]

ALB wrote:

Here's their candidate in Bristol's manifesto.  They are advocating a "moneyfree economy in one country":

Quote:

UK General Election June 8th 2017 Jodian Rodgers – Standing for a RESOURCE BASED ECONOMYIn June we will be voting in a general election. Are you concerned with the structure of our system of governance? Do you feel that there is no real choice? Or do you abstain from voting? If you answer yes to any of these questions and would like your vote to finally mean real change, please read on.Money Free Party would like to introduce you to a new social structure, a Resource Based Economy. It is a straightforward redesign of our culture in which the age-old inadequacies of war, poverty, hunger, debt and human suffering are viewed not only as avoidable, but as totally unacceptable. Anything less will result in a continuation of the same catalogue of problems inherent in today's world.Modern society has access to highly advanced technologies and CAN make available food, clothing, housing, medical care and a relevant educational system. We CAN develop a limitless supply of renewable, non-contaminating energy such as solar, wind and tidal. It is now possible to have everyone in the UK enjoy a very high standard of living with all of the amenities that a prosperous civilisation CAN provide. This CAN be accomplished through the intelligent anc humane application of science and technology.In a Resource Based Economy all goods and services are available to all people without the need for means of exchange such as money, credits, barter or any other means. For this to be achieved, all resources must be declared as the common heritage of all UK's inhabitants.I need your vote to make this change. We in Bristol can show the UK there is an alternative system to today's governance. Thank you and I would appreciate your vote on June 8, 2017.Jodian Rodgers Money Free Party

 Yes it does rather sound like MFP are promoting the idea of  "moneyfree economy in one country": which is a pity because there  is some good stuff in this manifesto which we can go along with wholeheartedly. I  wonder, though, if this is a thought-out position and not just a by-product of the fact that the Party is contest the General Election in the UK.  There is a tendency amongst political parties – though not the SPGB obviously – to think in solely domestic terms, meaning what their policies are supposed to be tailored to the UK population alone.  However,  I wonder if you put the argument to them that capitalism is a global system and can only really be got rid of globally whether they might not readily agree?  I suspect they would.  I suspect, that declaring all resouces to be the common heritage of all UK's  inhabitants is just an unfortunate turn of phrase and they really mean the world's resources should be the common property of the world's population

[Anonymous]

"The Money Free Party is a political party registered in Great Britain.The Money Free Party is a growing, global political party representing a shift in global values, away from a society based on increasing consumerism, infinite economic growth and aggressive global competition, towards a society based on sustainability, equity and global cooperation. What we do wish is for all of you to realise is how easily a non-monetary world can be achieved, once we have the political will to achieve it. We also want you to be aware how empowering, creative and socially cohesive a money free world would be. So let’s forget all about our socially conditioned, pre-conceived ideas, and put our feet up and watch some movies.We are at the beginning of a new form of politics.Politics made with a single purpose.To facilitate a transition to a global, resource based economy"http://moneyfreeparty.org.uk/viewpage.php?page_id=7My emphasis Clearly the MFP is not nationalist but seeks global change.  I think it may be a case of people being allowed to join the MFP – and indeed stand for them – without showing a full understanding of their case. Which is a vindication of our Form A procedure. All new applicants must show an understanding of our case.It may also be a case of individual control of party manifestos.  Another vindication of one of our practices: Manifestoes must be agree upon by the membership.  "I need your vote to make this change. We in Bristol can show the UK there is an alternative system to today's governance. Thank you and I would appreciate your vote on June 8, 2017.Jodian Rodgers"

[robbo203]

Vin wrote:

"The Money Free Party is a political party registered in Great Britain.The Money Free Party is a growing, global political party representing a shift in global values, away from a society based on increasing consumerism, infinite economic growth and aggressive global competition, towards a society based on sustainability, equity and global cooperation. What we do wish is for all of you to realise is how easily a non-monetary world can be achieved, once we have the political will to achieve it. We also want you to be aware how empowering, creative and socially cohesive a money free world would be. So let’s forget all about our socially conditioned, pre-conceived ideas, and put our feet up and watch some movies.We are at the beginning of a new form of politics.Politics made with a single purpose.To facilitate a transition to a global, resource based economy"http://moneyfreeparty.org.uk/viewpage.php?page_id=7My emphasis Clearly the MFP is not nationalist but seeks global change.  I think it may be a case of people being allowed to join the MFP – and indeed stand for them – without showing a full understanding of their case. Which is a vindication of our Form A procedure. All new applicants must show an understanding of our case.It may also be a case of individual control of party manifestos.  Another vindication of one of our practices: Manifestoes must be agree upon by the membership.  "I need your vote to make this change. We in Bristol can show the UK there is an alternative system to today's governance. Thank you and I would appreciate your vote on June 8, 2017.Jodian Rodgers"

 That's a fair enough point,  Vin.  MFP clearly do envisage a resource based economy to be a global one..  However it is is possible neverthless to construe the particular manifesto that Adam posted as implying that you could have common ownership in Britain first and then later on, in the fullness of time, the world as a whole….There are problems with that particular formulation which perhaps need to be addressed

[ALB]

Yes, it surprised me that an offshoot of Zeitgeist should think in terms of a moneyfree "resource based economy" being established in just one country and a relatively small one dependent on international trade like Britain.This reminds me that in the 2005 general election, a sort of sympathiser, well, someone acquainted with us, called Ernie Reynolds stood as an Independent candidate in North Swindon on an "Abolish Money Now" platform. He too envisaged this in one country. Here's his programme:http://www.abolishmoneynow.co.uk/Quite a few people like him come to this idea on their own.And here's our comment on it.He got 195 votes. This compared with Trotskyist Andy Newman, with a whole wish list of reforms, who got 205 in Swindon South. After that, Newman gave up and is now a Labour councillor and their candidate in Chippenham this time.

[moderator1]

Not sure whether or not this link has been posted:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZxkHIdfOIg

[robbo203]

A conversation about the MFP with Nick Tapping           https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnEpUdNG7RI

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