Moderation Suggestions
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Vin wrote:Mod you are only giving your friend a warning to justify giving me one. It is so obvious. Any other forum moderator would have removed this abusive Troll a long time ago.You have allowed this troll to abuse members without taking action untill I respond to defend myselfffs stop embarrassing the partyYou are treating me with less respect than a fucking stalking troll. Resign
It may have escaped your notice but your repeated calls for my resignation, along with your repeated appeals for deferential treatment, falls on deaf ears. When any user breaches the rules or guidelines they can expect me to take action and the action I take depends on the situation and what is acceptable and appropriate to the circumstances. In this instance you breached rule 6. once to often. Take heed by keeping away from the fray.I'll deal with troll's and spammers under the rules and guidelines as and when they are breached. You would like me to ignore the guidelines and rules when a particular user is not to your taste. As a mod I have to follow my remit whereas you have no remit to follow on this forum.
Exactly my point!!. You treat trolls and spammers as you would treat legitimate users. Most moderators remove spammers and trolls as the appear. Mod said: You would like me to ignore the guidelines and rules when a particular user is not to your taste.I have no problem declaring that abusers, trolls and spammers are not to my taste. Obviously you dont mind them which is a good reason for you not to be a mod. You have ignored the rules for years with LBird and you have ignored the rules with Bob arsole. You have alway used the rules to suit yourself.
Vin wrote:Exactly my point!!. You treat trolls and spammers as you would treat legitimate users. Most moderators remove spammers and trolls as the appear. Mod said: You would like me to ignore the guidelines and rules when a particular user is not to your taste.I have no problem declaring that abusers, trolls and spammers are not to my taste. Obviously you dont mind them which is a good reason for you not to be a mod. You have ignored the rules for years with LBird and you have ignored the rules with Bob arsole. You have alway used the rules to suit yourself.I take it has escaped your notice that LBird is on an indefinite suspension – his 5th! But yet again you are making claims with no evidence. And yet again you are proving to be a distraction. I repeat "stay out of the fray" and let me get on with dealing with spammers and trolls through my remit. They will be dealt with as and when they appear on the forum and breach the rules.I have no more to say on this particular subject.
moderator1 wrote:I repeat "stay out of the fray"and just accept that I am to receive abuse? Without being allowed to defendi myself or appeal to moderation? You do realise that it is highly unlikely to lead to an increase in forum participation? Especially from women and gays? It is your job to make the forum a safe place, at the moment it isn't. You just "get on with you job", then
moderator1 wrote:But yet again you are making claims with no evidence.This is a lie, a lie you insist on repeating
I would guess that one of the big objectives of trolling, ring pieces like Bob Andrews is to cause disharmony between Socialists.I know from personal experience that both Brian and Vin are committed and active Socialists. If Socialists like Vinand Brian are arguing with each other, then they are not putting that energy into fighting the real enemy the vicious, inhumane, system of society that we currently have to endure. Surely we are better fighting the common enemy.As to The clearly provocative, sexist, homophobic, parody of a human being that is Bob Andrews, it is clear what his objectives are. He clearly has some kind of familial link to the dead hand of the Ashbourne Court Group, it is sad that the legacy of the life time of commitment to Socialist activity that the members of that group have undertaken, activity that I would be proud to have been able to have carried out one tenth of, should now be represented by the clearly anti socialist sewage of Knob Andrews
I do not understand why we do not have that kind of problems on the WSM forum, it is older than this forum, it has more members, and it used to have a lot of activities, and it only has about 6 simple rules, and we pull out the plug to the trouble makers and the trollers, and the moderator does not have to wear the moderator hat all the time, and members do not need so much policing
Tim Kilgallon wrote:I would guess that one of the big objectives of trolling, ring pieces like Bob Andrews is to cause disharmony between Socialists.I know from personal experience that both Brian and Vin are committed and active Socialists. If Socialists like Vinand Brian are arguing with each other, then they are not putting that energy into fighting the real enemy the vicious, inhumane, system of society that we currently have to endure. Surely we are better fighting the common enemy.As to The clearly provocative, sexist, homophobic, parody of a human being that is Bob Andrews, it is clear what his objectives are. He clearly has some kind of familial link to the dead hand of the Ashbourne Court Group, it is sad that the legacy of the life time of commitment to Socialist activity that the members of that group have undertaken, activity that I would be proud to have been able to have carried out one tenth of, should now be represented by the clearly anti socialist sewage of Knob AndrewsPeople who are against women and homosexual they should join the forum of an Evangelical church, or the far right. The moderator does not want us to give any kind of suggestion, but personally I woud pull out the plug immediately. We are a socialist party, and we are supposed to be against women discrimination, racial discrimination, discrimination against sexual orientation, nationalism, patriotic hymm, and a piece of fabric called the flag. We are against all ideologies
Yes but the WSM_Forum is an email list and functions differently. We can put people on moderation, where their posts are screened for a period in the email lists.You are not allowed to post nor respond to hostile criticism. (You will be moderated)You are not allowed to criticise moderating decision either. (You will be moderated)Most of the members are inactive on the WSM_forum now.We can't do that moderation as in screening posts on the web forum.So the moderator has to abide by the rules of the web forum and issue warnings before suspension.The moderator should be left to deal with troublemakers and party members should resist responding to them in a similar vein.It is a simple matter to help the moderator and flag an offensive post and let the moderator deal with it, rather than attacking him and insisting he removes posters from the website.He can not do that. He can only suspend them, after warnings, as he does.Party members should and must, exercise self discipline.This would assist the moderator greatly.
Matt wrote:Yes but the WSM_Forum is an email list and functions differently. We can put people on moderation, where their posts are screened for a period in the email lists.You are not allowed to post nor respond to hostile criticism. (You will be moderated)You are not allowed to criticise moderating decision either. (You will be moderated)Most of the members are inactive on the WSM_forum now.We can't-do that moderation as in screening posts on the web forum.So the moderator has to abide by the rules of the web forum and issue warnings before suspension.The moderator should be left to deal with troublemakers and party members should resist responding to them in a similar vein.It is a simple matter to help the moderator and flag an offensive post and let the moderator deal with it, rather than attacking him and insisting he removes posters from the website.He can not do that. He can only suspend them, after warnings, as he does.Party members should and must, exercise self discipline.This would assist the moderator greatly.I am not talking about procedures, and I am not talking against the moderator. I know those procedures, and I know the problems that the moderators must go through, this is child play compared to other forums. I am talking about the atmosphere that exists in this forum. We only need Don King in the forum
Matt wrote:Yes but the WSM_Forum is an email list and functions differently. We can put people on moderation, where their posts are screened for a period in the email lists.You are not allowed to post nor respond to hostile criticism. (You will be moderated)You are not allowed to criticise moderating decision either. (You will be moderated)Most of the members are inactive on the WSM_forum now.We can't do that moderation as in screening posts on the web forum.So the moderator has to abide by the rules of the web forum and issue warnings before suspension.The moderator should be left to deal with troublemakers and party members should resist responding to them in a similar vein.It is a simple matter to help the moderator and flag an offensive post and let the moderator deal with it, rather than attacking him and insisting he removes posters from the website.He can not do that. He can only suspend them, after warnings, as he does.Party members should and must, exercise self discipline.This would assist the moderator greatly.Why didn't the SPGB adopt the same software? I tried to use the same software in another forum and everybody rejected it
Matt wrote:Yes but the WSM_Forum is an email list and functions differently. We can put people on moderation, where their posts are screened for a period in the email lists.You are not allowed to post nor respond to hostile criticism. (You will be moderated)You are not allowed to criticise moderating decision either. (You will be moderated)Most of the members are inactive on the WSM_forum now.We can't do that moderation as in screening posts on the web forum.So the moderator has to abide by the rules of the web forum and issue warnings before suspension.The moderator should be left to deal with troublemakers and party members should resist responding to them in a similar vein.It is a simple matter to help the moderator and flag an offensive post and let the moderator deal with it, rather than attacking him and insisting he removes posters from the website.He can not do that. He can only suspend them, after warnings, as he does.Party members should and must, exercise self discipline.This would assist the moderator greatly.The problem is, and this is no fault of Brian's, that the current modertation guidance is not fit for purpose. There should be some mechanism whereby if a poster has made a posting which is so far beyond the pale, then the poster would be subject to immediate suspension. To give an extreme example, if a poster made postings insupport if ISIL, would we seeriously have to wait for three occurances to remove them from our discussion board?
Matt wrote:Yes but the WSM_Forum is an email list and functions differently. We can put people on moderation, where their posts are screened for a period in the email lists.You are not allowed to post nor respond to hostile criticism. (You will be moderated)You are not allowed to criticise moderating decision either. (You will be moderated)Most of the members are inactive on the WSM_forum now.We can't do that moderation as in screening posts on the web forum.So the moderator has to abide by the rules of the web forum and issue warnings before suspension.The moderator should be left to deal with troublemakers and party members should resist responding to them in a similar vein.It is a simple matter to help the moderator and flag an offensive post and let the moderator deal with it, rather than attacking him and insisting he removes posters from the website.He can not do that. He can only suspend them, after warnings, as he does.Party members should and must, exercise self discipline.This would assist the moderator greatly.Your post appears to suggest a party member is the problem and not trolls.Both you and Brian have historicl issues with me that does not help the situation. The problem is matt, I have shown self discipline. I have ignored abuse from trolls and I have ignored spammers and waited in vain for Brian to step in. I refuse to be attacked and abused in silence without havin ANY right to defend myself. Not on a Socialist forum.Other moderated forum do not wait for sammers and trolls to break the rules; they already have broken the rules. All forums have the rule no spammers no trolls. They will not be warned or suspended but removed.As a party member I expect to recieve reminders of my behaviour but I resent being put on an equal footing to spammers and trolls. Dont turn this onto me, I am not the problem.
Quote:Why didn't the SPGB adopt the same software? I tried to use the same software in another forum and everybody rejected itBecause it is useless for building up websites compared to the superior CMS (content management system) of Drupal. There might be some better features in the new upgrade but technology will not resolve the problems of lack of self discipline. Rather it will result in people abandoning the Forum. We will still ahve good website but no discussion except perhaps amongst ourselves.There are only two members on this Forum now, as we speak and only eight guests.
There is absolutely no need to personalise this.
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