Marxist Animalism
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February 14, 2015 at 5:01 pm #106398SocialistPunkParticipant
To be properly classed as halal meat, the animal has to be bled to death while a blessing is spoken by a Muslim?
February 14, 2015 at 5:18 pm #106399SocialistPunkParticipantALB wrote:But hallal meat is served everywhere, and not just to muslims, in prisons, schools, hospitals. Does anyone know why? It can't be just to suck up to muslims. Is it cheaper or something?http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27324224
Quote:The HFA says many slaughterhouses will have chosen to move to halal processes so they do not lose Muslim customers.The latest census suggests there are 2.7 million Muslims in the UK, with a spending power estimated in the region of £20bn.Most people don't give a flying toss about how their food gets to their table, so it wouldn't matter to most non Muslims if their meat was halal or not. Though with growing anti-Islamic sentiments, resentment towards it may develop just because it is Islamic, rather than concern for animal welfare.
February 14, 2015 at 6:06 pm #106400ALBKeymasterThe orthodox Jews are just as bad of course. So criticism of the ritual slaughter of animals can't be dismissed as "Islamophobia".
February 14, 2015 at 6:16 pm #106401SocialistPunkParticipantI agree Adam.I don't think criticism of halal meat is because of any "Islamophobia", but I can imagine a scenario whereby it becomes another issue used against Muslims by the right wing. Another, Sharia law by the back door, scapegoat scenario.
February 14, 2015 at 9:28 pm #106402alanjjohnstoneKeymasteri do recall some years ago that the Le Pen National Front in France (publically supported by Brigitte Bardot) and also taken up by the NF in the UK embarked upon a campaign for animal rights highlighting halal. Of course, their concerns were not animal welfare but aimed at immigrants and it was indeed islamophobic in intention. Of course, when some advocates of vegetarianism list adherents one particular person is frequently ignored…Adolf Hitler.
March 3, 2015 at 10:04 pm #106403alanjjohnstoneKeymasterSale or possession of beef is punishable by up to five years in jail http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2015/03/india-maharashtra-state-bans-beef-150303144822005.html
March 4, 2015 at 8:52 pm #106404ALBKeymasterToday's Times reports this under the headline "Eat goat, say Hindu nationalists as beef is banned in Mumbai". Apparently they are owners who refuse to rent property to those who eat beef. That's a new one "No Irish. No Blacks. No Beefeaters".
March 5, 2015 at 2:31 am #106405alanjjohnstoneKeymasterI think we have to be careful…the ban on beef is political and nationalistic, nothing to do with animal welfare…it is aimed very much at Muslims by Hindutvas in control of that state…just as the right endeavoured to use halal slaughter as a means of attacking immgrants here in the UK and in France. I have seen some sad cases of suffering cows that cannot be put down by a vet due to religious custom.I have seen suffering dogs in Buddhist temples too where they have been neglected and not properly cared for. Karma…they call it i believe…
March 13, 2015 at 9:48 am #106406alanjjohnstoneKeymasterAn article going further into the political rather than religious or vegetarian reasons for the ban on slaughtering cows in the Mumbai region of Indiahttp://www.countercurrents.org/puniyani120315.htm
Quote:The hope is that the society overcomes such abuse of ‘identity issues’ for political goals and lets the people have their own choices in matters of food habits, and let those who are making their living from this trade do so peacefully.March 13, 2015 at 11:01 am #106407ALBKeymasteralanjjohnstone wrote:I have seen some sad cases of suffering cows that cannot be put down by a vet due to religious custom.So has my brother. Fortunately he could put this one down:http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/jul/27/ruralaffairs.topstories3
March 13, 2015 at 11:30 am #106408alanjjohnstoneKeymasterEdwyn Tudor Buick Out of curiousity, what is your middle name?
March 13, 2015 at 1:31 pm #106409jondwhiteParticipantWikipedia might have the answerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Buick
March 14, 2015 at 7:43 am #106410ALBKeymasterEven state-capitalist and so-called "Marxist" China practises superstitious animal sacrifice:http://www.newsbangladesh.com/english/Padma%20Bridge%20piling%20work%20begins%20thru%60%20sacrifice%20of%20animals/76Which shows of course that the regime there has nothing to do with Marx or Marxism.
March 14, 2015 at 6:07 pm #106411alanjjohnstoneKeymasterThis short video (with no commentary) brings home the industrialisation of the meat business. http://www.filmsforaction.org/watch/without_saying_a_word_this_6_minute_short_film_will_make_you_speechless/
April 22, 2015 at 2:00 am #106412alanjjohnstoneKeymasterChimps have human rights…at least in this legal casehttp://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/04/21/historic-ruling-pair-chimpanzees-recognized-legal-personsAlso for those following the threadhttp://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/30338-commodified-and-caged-still
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