Marx and Buddhism
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June 22, 2019 at 10:14 pm #188376
robbo203
ParticipantDon’t know much about the subject but according to Wikipedia….
“According to his friend, theologian Desiderius Erasmus of Rotterdam, More once seriously contemplated abandoning his legal career to become a monk.[15][16] Between 1503 and 1504 More lived near the Carthusian monastery outside the walls of London and joined in the monks’ spiritual exercises. Although he deeply admired their piety, More ultimately decided to remain a layman, standing for election to Parliament in 1504 and marrying the following year.[12]:xxi
More continued ascetic practices for the rest of his life, such as wearing a hair shirt next to his skin and occasionally engaging in flagellation.[12]:xxi A tradition of the Third Order of Saint Francis honours More as a member of that Order on their calendar of saints.[17] “June 22, 2019 at 11:00 pm #188378Anonymous
InactiveErasmus of Rotterdam indicated that he was a monk and he lived a couples of years in the Carthusian monastery, and then, he became a layman and he formed a family but he continued living an ascetics life. He is also called Saint Thomas. In Japan there are many married monks
June 22, 2019 at 11:02 pm #188380Anonymous
InactiveErasmus of Rotterdam indicated that he was a monk and he lived a couples of years in the Carthusian monastery, and then, he became a layman and he formed a family but he continuing living an ascetics life. He is also called Saint Thomas. In Japan there are many married monks
June 22, 2019 at 11:05 pm #188381Anonymous
InactiveWhence this false notion that More, a family man, was ever a monk?
From the Jesuits, Dominicos, De La Salle Brothers, and Salesian fathers
June 22, 2019 at 11:30 pm #188383Anonymous
InactiveI think Robbo has put it succinctly. He was a lay brother, not a monk. You do not renounce vows once taken as a monk or nun. There never were married monks in Christianity. In Tibetan Buddhism, yes. Buddhist priests in Japan marry. Do do secular Orthodox priests, but they are not monks.
This rule in the Orthodox Christian Church kept the rule of the Church firmly in the hands of the monks, for only monastic, unmarried, priests can ever rise to Bishop.
June 22, 2019 at 11:39 pm #188384Anonymous
InactiveAnother lay brother, on and off, was Rasputin – and never a monk.
Eastern monasteries allow wandering lay pilgrims to stay, for as long as they like too! These lay wanderers are still common in the wilds of Greece, as I know from personal experience.
June 22, 2019 at 11:56 pm #188385Anonymous
InactiveI think Robbo has put it succinctly. He was a lay brother, not a monk. You do not renounce vows once taken as a monk or nun.
I knew many who renounced. Life is full of surprises
June 22, 2019 at 11:59 pm #188386Anonymous
InactiveNot without a dispensation, very difficult to get. Yes, people have, but have been excommunicated!
June 23, 2019 at 12:03 am #188387Anonymous
InactiveIt sounds like the Apostasy of the Church Church if they do not approve your application you are still a Catholic. There are millions of atheists who are catholics because they have not submitted an application for Apostasy, or have never been approved by the Vaitcan. It is all bullshit.
June 23, 2019 at 12:07 am #188389alanjjohnstone
KeymasterMy theology is weak but the difference between monks and priests is something about sacraments and masses, isn’t it?
But I see married priests may well be on the return
I think they are already allowed when a C of E vicar switches to the Catholic church
From my personal blog some time ago, a brief history of celibacy and why it was introduced.
June 23, 2019 at 12:32 am #188391Anonymous
InactiveCelibacy was introduced by Saint Agustine, based on economic purposes, before that priests were allowed to get marry. The Catholic Church is accepting priests from the Episcopal Chruch because they do not have any candidate for priesthood in the Seminaries, and many of them are already married. Pretty soon celibacy is going to be elininated from the catholic church. There is a wide world outside of the box where many things are taking place. The Episcopal Church in some places they are taking similar stand of the liberation theology, that is the reason why the Episcopal church is progressing in Latin America, and some catholics priests are living the catholics church to join the episcopal church in order to get marry. There are several priests who have been expelled due to their participation in the working class movement, but they have been forced to take them back because peoples have gone to the streets to protest, and some of them have had children
June 23, 2019 at 12:36 am #188392Anonymous
InactiveMy theology is weak but the difference between monks and priests is something about sacraments and masses, isn’t it?
Monks are claustral, but in essence they all believe in the same fantasies, and monks are more ideological reactionaries than priests, they are not in contact with the real world like priests
June 23, 2019 at 7:22 am #188394ALB
KeymasterMonk, priest, lay brother, that’s nothing. How about saint which, according to the main Christian sect, the Roman Catholic church, More now is? According to them, he must be in heaven able to speak to their god as he has persuaded it to intervene to work two or three miracles. All rubbish of course, but anyone know what they’re supposed to have been?
June 23, 2019 at 10:56 am #188395Wez
ParticipantFriar Tuck (Robin Hood’s spiritual adviser) is my kinda priest – hard drinkin’ & fightin’ mutha.
June 23, 2019 at 2:45 pm #188396ALB
KeymasterFriar? Where do they fit into the hierarchy of deluded god-botherers?
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