Maduro´s gangster capitalist regime
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September 1, 2024 at 12:45 pm #253851robbo203Participant
Also, the Court seemed to request that the electoral commission publish the full “election results” within 30 days of the proclamation of Maduro as the winner. Maybe there is someone out there who can say when the result was officially proclaimed? Maybe it wasn’t 30 days after the date of the election?
I think it was 30 days after the election which has now passed. I can’t see them providing the breakdown results now. Its all a charade to provide the regime with a veneer of legitimacy by involving the Supreme Court (packed with Maduro loyalists) etc etc. If Maduro had actually won in reality it would be in the interest of the CNE to publish the breakdown results ASAP (as happened under Chavez for example). If they have got the actual proof why the delay? That in itself makes one smell a rat. They are trying to hide the fact that Maduro lost
“Machado and Gonzalez have made several confusing claims, that they have 40 percent of the voting records, then 70 percent and also 100 percent. President Maduro has gone to the Supreme Court filing a review appeal which involves the government submitting all the ‘voting records’ in the possession of his coalition, asking the Supreme Court to summon all 10 candidates for them to submit their voting records.
I am not quite sure where the (government supporting) Orinoco Times gets its information from but as far as I understand it, the opposition collected somewhat over 80 per cent (83%?) of the actas which were then published on its website. It had organised a massive campaign beforehand to get its supporters to collect the physical evidence in the form of these actas which were then scanned and published on the website. In a small number of cases, the voting centers refused to give actas to opposition parties so only the CNE would have 100& of the actas. But even with 83% of the actas there is enough evidence to show Maduro lost by a big margin…..
Valid point, by the way, asking why the pro-US opposition didn’t submit its tally sheets to the court. What had they to lose?
From what I read, they are fearful of handing over the original evidence – their physical copies of the actas – because they believe the CNE will destroy this evidence (bearing in mind these actas have the original “wet signatures” of the officials who signed them). But I would have thought the scanned copies that appear on their website would surely be enough evidence to submit to the CNE as they are unforgeable and could easily be checked against the government’s own set of duplicate actas. Still, it is a little odd that the opposition has not submitted the original actas as they now have nothing to lose by submitting them if the CNE is just going to ignore the actual breakdown results…
There is also, of course, the little matter of Gonzalez and Machado probably being arrested should they make an appearance at the CNE….
September 1, 2024 at 1:10 pm #253852robbo203Participant“Opposition technicians argue that voting records are very complex difficult to hack — they have electronic signatures, a specific paper and a QR code — and that it would be very easy to verify whether or not they are authentic. “There are people who say that they [the Chavistas] are working to show some records,” said María Corina Machado at an opposition rally in Caracas. “I hope they do it. It would be public proof of fraud. I am waiting for them: publish your records.”
Even when the elections commission released its result, it was botched, Jacques says. “The first state tv announcement listed all the candidates with their percentages and when you added it up, it totaled 132%,” he said. “You would think someone would have checked the addition.”
Brussels-based technology writer Jan Govaerts says the Maduro government doesn’t care that it has been caught red-handed. “They plan to stonewall it, stick to their numbers even though the world knows it’s a lie,” he says. “Maduro and his lieutenants have a lot to lose if they admit defeat — they would probably face long prison terms – so why not stick to the lie. They’ve gotten away with it so far.”
September 1, 2024 at 2:50 pm #253854h.moss@swansea.ac.ukParticipantWatergate is unlikely to happen in a gangster capitalist regime like Maduro’s Venezuela.
September 5, 2024 at 7:30 am #253877ALBKeymasterArticle in the pro-government Orinoco Tribune criticizing the electoral commission for not yet having published the detailed voting tallies (“Actas”). It seems that sooner or later they will be published in one form or another.
Publication of Venezuela’s Election Results: To Be or Not To Be?
September 10, 2024 at 6:04 pm #253923robbo203ParticipantInteresting piece from the Communist Party of Venezuela. At least they recognise that Maduro´s gangster capitalist regime is no friend of the workers:
“In Venezuela there is a fierce confrontation between two bourgeois poles disputing the domination of the state apparatus in order to control the management of the oil rent: On the one hand, there is the sector of the traditional bourgeoisie and its parties grouped in the Democratic Unitary Platform that have attempted coups d’états, the imposition of foreign sanctions and the theft of public patrimony abroad. And on the other side is the new bourgeois and landed class of the United Socialist Party of Venezuela (PSUV) and its allies that emerged from 25 years of privileged access to oil revenues with an administration plagued with corruption and an inability to transform the rentier and dependent base of Venezuelan capitalism.”
September 14, 2024 at 9:11 pm #253978ALBKeymasterFurther mention by the pro-government Orinoco Tribune of the electoral commission’s
“controversial delay in releasing the poll-by-poll electoral results that may negatively affect the solidity of the democratic foundation of the Bolivarian Revolution.”
September 15, 2024 at 7:44 am #253979robbo203ParticipantThe Orinoco Times is a blatantly pro-government outfit. It is not a reliable source. It seems pretty clear that the gangster capitalist Maduro and his cronies stole the election and that they are not going to release the detailed results despite promises. The deadline for doing so has long passed. Maduro is a lying scumbag who wants to cling to power at all costs so he and his chums can keep their grubby paws on the oil revenue, drug trafficking money and so on.
All the excuses they come up with are transparently just a means of wriggling out of the constitutional obligation to reveal the detailed voting results. As I understand it, there was no “massive cyberattack”- the farcical claim of an attack emanating from North Macedonia was disproven – though there was apparently an attack on an outlier computer not locked into the CNE system (which is unhackable). And even if there was an attack, the CNE presumably has all the paper voting slips (if they haven’t destroyed these already). It has no excuses for not revealing the results
It appears that many Chavistas are themselves starting to question the official results. I was looking at an interview with one Chavista who was saying that while she supported the government she was not a cheat. Some Chavistas had access to actas – the voting tallies – which they said were identical to those posted on the opposition website showing Maduro lost by a huge margin.
Here in Spain, there has been quite a lot of news just lately about Venezuela and wealthy Venezuelans who have links to the regime who have bought up expensive property in places like certain posh suburbs of Madrid. The suggestion is corrupt money might be involved but the situation is tricky for the PSOE regime here because of its ties with Venezuela.
I do agree with one thing the CNE statement says, however:
The United States of America has one of the most pathetic and obsolete electoral systems on the planet, incapable of providing certainty in its results, leaving many doubts in its elections, as has been evident on countless occasions. For this reason, the United States government lacks the moral authority to evaluate and give opinions on electoral issues anywhere, and much less in Venezuela, where there is an electoral system of the highest global standards.
The American election is indeed a joke, However, the last bit about the Venezuelan electoral system being of the “highest global system” is only true in a technical sense but what is the point in having an election if you are determined to lie about the result that the system delivers?
September 15, 2024 at 10:57 am #253985ALBKeymasterI wasn’t relying on the Orinoco Tribune as a source of news but on it being, on this occasion, the news itself — that “a blatantly pro-government outfit” was suggesting that it might be a good idea for the electoral commission to publish the detailed election results. Surely that is newsworthy.
September 15, 2024 at 11:32 am #253988robbo203ParticipantYeah, I agree. That is a fair point- although that did not stop the Orinoco Times peddling the BS about the failure to release the detailed results being due to a “massive and unprecedented cyberattack aimed at damaging the electoral and corrupting the electoral system.” Even if that was true you could always recount the actual paper ballots which all went to the CNE – supposedly – if that evidence has not already been destroyed.
This ridiculous excuse is what is allowing this corrupt antidemocratic regime to cling on to power in the face of the fact that it lost the elections by a wide margin. Even many Chavistas recognise this and are deeply unhappy with the situation. It seems to me more and more obvious that the regime is not going to release the results. Its entire credibility would be on the line. Of course, it could try to fake the actas but I don’t believe that is possible…
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