LETS Abolish Money?
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When you say 'crackpots' I hope you aren't referring to that lunatic John Pozzi, because I'm a great admirer.
Bob Andrews wrote:When you say 'crackpots' I hope you aren't referring to that lunatic John Pozzi, because I'm a great admirer.Yeah, takes one lunatic to admire another.
Steve-SanFrancisco-UserExperienceResearchSpecialist wrote:Hello everyone. for those who hate me don't worry, I won't be here long this time. for those who liked reading me, this is the time where I share with everyone the fruits of my labor and research into solving our socio-political problems. Anyway, I know you women and men hate when I go on and on, so here's a direct link to the first step in a 100 year plan I've outlined and mapped. I'll include a brief teaser here because it's relevant to the discussion of abolishing money and then link to the full document and documents if you want to read further. . .Quote:How EpiPen could save the world with individual income based pricing.Income Based Savings Card Here’s how. They own the monopoly so they can set pricing however they want. They should price the epipen in units of a percent of a person’s income. They target right now a single customer who can afford to pay $500/Epipen. But there are plenty of wealthy customers who would pay even more for an Epipen. They’re losing out on profit they could earn by charging more to the most wealthy, and not just a little profit either. Some of the most affluent of the 1% would pay upwards of $50,000 for a single Epipen rather than do without. Others customers with high incomes, such as Epipen’s own CEO and Sales manager, would be willing to pay as much as $5000/Epipen if the alternative was doing without. Also, some people can’t even afford the regular $500/Epipen and have to do without, which is another lost sale. The company would have made more money if they had offered a $300 Epipen for sale to this person because $300 is more than $0 from a lost sale. For a person who can only afford $100 or even $25 their may be no hope of benefitting from Epipen or buying their product, even though the Epipen company could still make a profit. Because Epipen doesn’t want to lower the price for everyone else from $500 they lose sales on the low income market for their product. Most of the money for Epipen was in R&D and now production of additional Epipens are not a large part of the production cost for additional units of Epipen Who’s cost of production is only $5.I propose a new digital currency that is based on a percent of a person's yearly income. The epipen can be sold to everyone at the same low price of 0.35% of their yearly income. The Epipen company makes more money by selling in a digital blockchain currency, that is similar to BitCoin, called “IncomeBasedCoin”. “IncomeBasedCoins” are bought with cash or converted to cash using a online exchange system like bitcoins, but require verification of your income for conversion or transactions. At time of the IncomeBasedCoin use, your bank or government or other verification partner as designated will provide electronically a calculated yearly income value for converting dollars to IncomeBasedCoin as part of the purchase transaction. Social benefits to using the “IncomeBasedCoin” are similar to the economic theory of what’s known as an individually priced Market exchange. This allows convenient charging in units that are socially and ethically fair regardless of wealth. It’s a truly affluence neutral pricing system and some things in society are better sold and distributed using a market economy based on a unit of a person's time and effort. What if other drug companies adopted this practice as an ethical pricing system and they would also make a tidy profit from their decision to embrace sales using IncomeBasedCoin? Does it make sense to price other items that bring equal value to people rich or poor alike and have low production costs using IncomeBasedCoin? I think the answer is that the more we use an IncomeBasedCoin, the less income inequality will be a social problem for the rich and the poor alike. Imagine in some future utopian america all products were prices as a mix of US dollars and IncomeBasedCoin. The economic benefits of a dual currency economy would be great for social justice and productivity. So with one great sales ideas as I described, Epipen could launch a revolution in health by innovating this new currency. They’d make a ton of money and they’d make the world a better place. Epipen could use their profits to “innovate” the creation of a new digital currency as described and they would also profit while helping the poor and while helping to decrease wealth inequality. Since it makes a profit for the business, other business will follow suit and begin pricing their items in “yearly income coin” so they can make more money. This is legal and technically achievable today using blockchain digital currency already in existence or easily created. the more people use the “Yearly Income Coin” for pricing, the more fair our economy comes to treating the rich people equally to the poor.Framing of the proposal:For poor people this is framed as lower cost medical and a fair pricing system. (appeal to direct needs and benefits) For business this is framed as an innovative pricing structure that increases profits. (appeal to bottom line thinkers who know the value of putting themselves first. Appeal to greed.) For rich people this is framed as business innovation and it’s up to the marketplace and business to decide how to use it and if they want to use it like it should always be up to the marketplace and the business to decide these things (appeal to neo-liberalism principles and point out how this drastically decreases regulation and puts the free market in charge instead of the bad government and so saves taxpayers money and helps shrinks government to the libertarian ideals.). For media this is framed as the miraculous fruits of financial innovation combined with necessity the mother of invention and validated by the free market profits and stock market approval. For Trump, he can claim it on his watch and say it was his idea all along or take credit for it and we don’t care because it’s a good idea no matter who does it. For Law and Order Government power and police state interests it is framed as a chance to get an automatic copy of every receipt and sale for government data mining and makes the government the data owner and guarantor of personal pricing related data. In effect the government gets an electronic veto option on every transaction by the nature of the transaction information processing. This gives government policy makers and economist a degree of information awareness needed to really understand the economics of the price solution in real time with analytics to monitor performance. This also gives the the power to change the prices globally at any time in response to macro-economic needs such as creating a stimulus without preferring any particular business institution unfairly over others for monetary policy. The digital currency can be used as a 100% government trackable currency by nature since each transaction must query government records for income verification this is built into the system. Later regulations and revisions for privacy or as legislation requires later can be built into the digital currency system with less effort and possibly even retroactively to cover past data if desired. This is not an anonymous form of payment and is the opposite of that. All exchanges in this system are strongly tied in government databases to real identities. So this money’s no good for buying anything illegal or anonymously which should make the law and order worldview holders happy. For freedom advocates, frame this as a free program that business can choose to participate in or not and customers can choose to participate or not individually too. We keep the existing dollar pricing systems in place and just ad this as another option if people prefer to use it for payments. The government does not set any prices and only verifies income and other information for the purchase exchange currency conversions. Market forces and business profit seeking work to ensure the pricing is fairly based on individual product supply and individual consumer demand economics.If you want to read the rest and be a part of making this reality, or find out how it leads to an environment conducive to the development of communism, read more at https://goo.gl/gE8qwKp.s. You have, obviously my permission to share and discuss this on your forum. Do not share this with the opposition or anyone you think might appose this plan or our efforts and act accordingly.
THIS IS THE RETURN OF THE JEDI.
ALB wrote:This forum is becoming a cranks' convention. I suppose nobody else would be so tolerant of them but they just take advantage.Well, I know about several forums that they will be kicked immediately since the first post. They can join the forum of this organization http://revcom.us
ALB wrote:This forum is becoming a cranks' convention. I suppose nobody else would be so tolerant of them but they just take advantage.Forum moderation has been a farce for years. You just can't get the staff. The three little pigs are trolls and we need the big bad wolf to sort them out. We know he can be bad when he feels like it. I guess he has turned soft.We need some form of democracy.
gnome wrote:Bob Andrews wrote:When you say 'crackpots' I hope you aren't referring to that lunatic John Pozzi, because I'm a great admirer.Yeah, takes one lunatic to admire another.
Vin wrote:ALB wrote:This forum is becoming a cranks' convention. I suppose nobody else would be so tolerant of them but they just take advantage.Forum moderation has been a farce for years. You just can't get the staff. The three little pigs are trolls and we need the big bad wolf to sort them out. We know he can be bad when he feels like it. I guess he has turned soft.We need some form of democracy.
Well, they do not want us to tell them what to do, but the Moderators of this Socialist forum are the Administrators, they have a tab known as delete, or blocked, they just have to click with the mouse. These peoples are not making any contributions to this forum, they just want to play around and take us as a bunch of fool, and using little kid phraseology. We are grown man and women who are fighting for new society, we do not play video gamesWe are looking for workers who want to learn about socialism, or want to study new political, and economical ideas, we do not need peoples who are hammering on the same problems that we have been rejecting for more than 100 years. We are not capitalists loversWhy the hell are we going to glorify capitalist leaders, their stupid administration system, and to glorify the poison of nationalism, and to reform this system ? Why are we going to support ideas of rejecting our own class brothers from different nations ? We might open a thread glorifying Al Capone, and his soup restaurant that he had during the Great Depression, or open a thread about the nationalist of the KKK, or the Neo-Nazis
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ALB wrote:This forum is becoming a cranks' convention. I suppose nobody else would be so tolerant of them but they just take advantage.Something like these:http://www.scope-mag.com/about/issues/spring-2011/convention-of-cranks/
mcolome1 wrote:ALB wrote:This forum is becoming a cranks' convention. I suppose nobody else would be so tolerant of them but they just take advantage.Something like these:http://www.scope-mag.com/about/issues/spring-2011/convention-of-cranks/
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moderator1 wrote:mcolome1 wrote:ALB wrote:This forum is becoming a cranks' convention. I suppose nobody else would be so tolerant of them but they just take advantage.Something like these:http://www.scope-mag.com/about/issues/spring-2011/convention-of-cranks/
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Well, I was answering to the post of Alb. You should send him a warning too
mcolome1 wrote:ALB wrote:This forum is becoming a cranks' convention. I suppose nobody else would be so tolerant of them but they just take advantage.Well, I know about several forums that they will be kicked immediately since the first post. They can join the forum of this organization http://revcom.us
All you had to do was ask nicely and provide an appropriate link. I'll check them out and they seem like maybe a better place for me to share. SPGP loses a participant and they gain one. No loss to you personally, but probably as loss to SPGP.
Steve-SanFrancisco-UserExperienceResearchSpecialist wrote:mcolome1 wrote:ALB wrote:This forum is becoming a cranks' convention. I suppose nobody else would be so tolerant of them but they just take advantage.Well, I know about several forums that they will be kicked immediately since the first post. They can join the forum of this organization http://revcom.us
All you had to do was ask nicely and provide an appropriate link. I'll check them out and they seem like maybe a better place for me to share. SPGP loses a participant and they gain one. No loss to you personally, but probably as loss to SPGP.
. You can you own homework, a but I will recommend one. Join the forum of Disneyland
mcolome1 wrote:Steve-SanFrancisco-UserExperienceResearchSpecialist wrote:mcolome1 wrote:ALB wrote:This forum is becoming a cranks' convention. I suppose nobody else would be so tolerant of them but they just take advantage.Well, I know about several forums that they will be kicked immediately since the first post. They can join the forum of this organization http://revcom.us
All you had to do was ask nicely and provide an appropriate link. I'll check them out and they seem like maybe a better place for me to share. SPGP loses a participant and they gain one. No loss to you personally, but probably as loss to SPGP.
. You can do your own homework, a but I will recommend one. Join the forum of Disneyland
mcolome1 wrote:Steve-SanFrancisco-UserExperienceResearchSpecialist wrote:mcolome1 wrote:ALB wrote:This forum is becoming a cranks' convention. I suppose nobody else would be so tolerant of them but they just take advantage.Well, I know about several forums that they will be kicked immediately since the first post. They can join the forum of this organization http://revcom.us
All you had to do was ask nicely and provide an appropriate link. I'll check them out and they seem like maybe a better place for me to share. SPGP loses a participant and they gain one. No loss to you personally, but probably as loss to SPGP.
. You can you own homework, a but I will recommend one. Join the forum of Disneyland
My homework is promising. According to traffic stats, Revcom.us has more visitors and is presumably more influential than worldsocialism.org. Here's the numbers. . . http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/worldsocialism.org 255,397http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/revcom.us 301,024ps.. I think the comment about disneyland, is just your way of proving a "true socialist" can be mean and lie and isn't really a better person than a capitalist. Actually, your disneyland advice is a repeat of something a corporate lawyer gave me as advice when I was interviewing them (against their request) about their housing demolition and eviction of low income tennants project. So your personality and generosity and good intentions to your fellow humans, or in this case a lack of those, is very capitalist at it's worst.I suggest you are not a good fit for the promoting world socialism based on your behavior so far. Every person has a unique set of abilities and promoting socialism doesn't seem to be one of yours. Maybe you serve another purpose better?
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