Late Imperial China
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And we do not have an ideology. We do not follow ideologies.
Maoists, Leninists, Jim Jones cultists follow ideologies. We do not.
I believe i heard gossip that a certain female member, CS, of the Socialist Studies grouplet was convinced that ALB was the Intelligence Services infiltrator.
And TM the Vatican infiltrator with links to the King of Spain.
“I haven’t read any Marx or Engels beyond index research since my twenties.”
So, you at least were one applicant who had read Marx before applying to join! And I imagine that one of your motivations for joining was that we were “Marxist”.
I don’t think much of your attempt to back up your outrageous slur that Marx “despised” the peoples that “the Europeans colonised for capitalism”. In that passage you have dug up he is not saying that the Chinese are biologically inferior as your italics were presumably meant to imply.
The whole article can be found here so that people can judge for themselves:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1853/06/14.htm
Anybody know which events in China in 1853 Marx was referring to as ”the revolution in China?”
I think we on another thread we have Engels calling the non-European Mexicans “lazy” which is a slur and both he and Marx supported slave-owner expansionism by the USA that other radicals of the time such as some prominent in the Chartist movement condemned and endorsed the the view that “the war was unjust to Mexico, disgraceful to the United States and a war for the extension of slavery.”.
https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/forum/topic/marx-engels-on-mexico/
And of course we have the language of Engels describing the Slavs and Celts as non-peoples.
ALB, he was referring to the T’aip’ing Rebellion.
ALB, no, it wasn’t because you were Marxist, but because I like the idea of a world without wage-labour and where everything is free.
Not biologically inferior, but historically, which is just as offensive to anyone who has studied history and literature and art.
“…the barbarous and hermetic isolation from the civilized world was infringed…”
That was the language widely employed in the 19th century. Marx’s contemporary the pioneer cultural anthropologist Lewis Henry Morgan even incorporated it in to his theory of social evolution (from Savagery through Barbarism to Civilisation), on which Engels based much of his The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Society
Of course we wouldn’t use that terminology today but rather Stone Age, Bronze Age, Iron Age, etc or even Asiatic Mode of Production, Ancient Slave Society, Feudalism, Capitalism, Socialism.
“Is it a misfortune that magnificent California was seized from the lazy Mexicans who did not know what to do with it?”
Engels shared Marx’s contempt for Mexicans, explaining: “In America we have witnessed the conquest of Mexico and have rejoiced at it. It is to the interest of its own development that Mexico will be placed under the tutelage of the United States.”
On Lasalle:
“It is now completely clear to me that he, as is proved by his cranial formation and his hair, descends from the Negroes who had joined Moses’ exodus from Egypt, assuming that his mother or grandmother on the paternal side had not interbred with a n—–. Now this union of Judaism and Germanism with a basic Negro substance must produce a peculiar product.”
In a letter to Lafargue’s wife, Engels wrote, “Being in his quality as a n—–, a degree nearer to the rest of the animal kingdom than the rest of us, he is undoubtedly the most appropriate representative of that district.” (The Lafargue’s house was near a zoo).
All these quotes date from the mid-century when they had come to the conclusion that capitalism still had a long way to develop before it would have built up the material basis for a world socialist society. So they supported the further and most rapid development of capitalism to bring this about and removing the obstacles to it. That’s not our situation but it was theirs.
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