Labour MPs revolt against Corbyn
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I really don't use this 'middle-class' term without some qualifying expanation. I shudder when it appears in any of our articles or pieces.
A recording of Neil Kinnock speaking to the Parliamentary Labour Party has been leaked onlinehttp://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/08/secret-recording-neil-kinnock-jeremy-corbyn-step-down-speech-to-mps-in-full
Quote:I don’t know what case is being made by saying that – and I quote – ‘Jeremy had the biggest majority in history’ – he didn’t. In 1988 – in a different electoral system, admittedly – my majority against Tony Benn was 88.6%. Tony got 11.4%, with the assistance of Dennis [Skinner], of course, and the assistance of Jeremy Corbyn, of course. No talk of unity or loyalty could suppress their enthusiasm. [Loud applause]In the constituency parties, that in 1981 had overwhelmingly voted for Tony’s leadership candidature, the result was Kinnock 82%, Benn 18%. Why? Because the constituency parties, the rank and file, had decided they’d had enough of posturing and hectoring and they wanted to give the Labour party a real chance of securing advance and power. And we gained 3.1m votes because of those people.Now then, we can take further instruction from modern history, the way in which, in the supermarket, people said: ‘I want to vote Labour, but I can’t vote for Ed Miliband’. I heard it, oh yes I heard it. Apply the supermarket test for Jeremy Corbyn and see what answer you get.We know what answer we’re getting on the doorstep. Yes I’ve been around raising money like you Dennis [Skinner], for many, many, many years – I think it’s probably a bit more than a million. I’ve been around raising money and I go on the doorstep and I talk to people. I quote one person, just one, out ofFrom our friends who gifted us the Atom Bomb. Just listened to this pish. Wish I'd been there. He sounds half pished. Arsepiece.
Also in the Kinnock speech was this
Quote:In 1918, in the shadow of the Russian revolution, they made a deliberate, conscious, ideological choice, that they would not pursue the syndicalist road, that they would not pursue the revolutionary road – it was a real choice in those days. They would pursue the parliamentary road to socialism...that amounted to their infamous Clause 4 definition of 'common ownership' with a 'means of exchange'.http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/08/secret-recording-neil-kinnock-jeremy-corbyn-step-down-speech-to-mps-in-full#comment-78556559
alanjjohnstone wrote:lso in the Kinnock speech was thisQuote:In 1918, in the shadow of the Russian revolution, they made a deliberate, conscious, ideological choice, that they would not pursue the syndicalist road, that they would not pursue the revolutionary road – it was a real choice in those days. They would pursue the parliamentary road to socialism.What's interesting about this part of Kinnock's speech is that he mentions the word "socialism" which has been taboo in the Labour Party for years. The ironic thing is that most of the anti-Corbyn plotters in his audience wouldn't identify with this. They believe in the parliamentary road, yes, but not to "socialism" (however defined) but to manage capitalism, to "responsible" capitalism, while it's Corbyn, McDonnell and their supporters who still adhere to the old Labour policy of the gradualist, parliamentary, reformist road to "socialism" (actually, state capitalism). They are not syndicalists or revolutionaries.Since they know their labour history and see socialism (however defined) as a desirable system of society, we can have discussions with them (and Kinnock) as to the best strategy and tactics to get to socialism. You couldn't have that discussion with most Labour MPs any more than you could with a Tory MP.
there is a easy 10 minute youtube clip of corbyn's on 'socialism' if it hasn't already been put up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZvAvNJL-gE
Saw Andrew Neil grilling some non-entity called Eagle who wants to topple Corbyn. Pathetic, inarticulate and whining. If they think they'll do better under her they're deluding themselves.
I see Chomsky figures among the signatories to this statement:
Quote:At a time when austerity, insecurity and racism remain real threats to the lives of many people in the UK, we believe that Jeremy Corbyn can help to provide a way out of the mess we are in.Sympathy with Corbyn for the way the media have treated him as a person is one thing, but support for his reformist Old Labourite policies which failed in the 60s and 70s is another.
ALB wrote:I see Chomsky figures among the signatories to this statement:Quote:At a time when austerity, insecurity and racism remain real threats to the lives of many people in the UK, we believe that Jeremy Corbyn can help to provide a way out of the mess we are in.Sympathy with Corbyn for the way the media have treated him as a person is one thing, but support for his reformist Old Labourite policies which failed in the 60s and 70s is another.
I don't have any sympathy for Corbyn, and all politicians who give their enthusiastic support and willingness to administer capitalism. It's a case of "chickens coming home to roost".If a capitalist political party had the "Magic Bullet" for running society they would never be voted out of power. Their favourite excuses for failing are that the previous administration left the country in a mess or there were unforeseen economic circumstances which threw them off course.
I nicked some of that.https://discussion.theguardian.com/comment-permalink/78898220
From various news reportsLast time it was open to anyone prepared to pay £3 – and it was the £3 supporters, more than the paid up party members, who gave Jeremy Corbyn his victory. This time, supporters will have to re-register and pay £25. And the thousands of new recruits who have joined the party since the referendum will have to pay that fee if they want to vote, because the executive has ruled only those who have been party members for at least six months will have an automatic right to vote. Only those who joined Labour on or before 12 January will be able to vote in the leadership contest. Anyone who joined after then will have to pay an extra £25 to become a "registered supporter" – and will get a two-day window in which to do so.The NEC ruled that only those who have been members for more than six months will be allowed to vote – while new supporters will be given two days to sign up as registered supporters to vote in the race, but only if they are willing to pay £25 – far higher than the £3 fee many Corbyn backers paid in the contest last year. Labour’s membership has shot up to more than 500,000, according to party sources, as both Corbyn’s supporters and those who want to replace him recruit new supporters to their cause. But the introduction of the six-month cut-off point is likely to infuriate members who have joined in recent weeks with the hope of influencing the vote, and will not now be able to do so without paying an additional £25.
alanjjohnstone wrote:From various news reportsLast time it was open to anyone prepared to pay £3 – and it was the £3 supporters, more than the paid up party members, who gave Jeremy Corbyn his victory. This time, supporters will have to re-register and pay £25. And the thousands of new recruits who have joined the party since the referendum will have to pay that fee if they want to vote, because the executive has ruled only those who have been party members for at least six months will have an automatic right to vote. Only those who joined Labour on or before 12 January will be able to vote in the leadership contest. Anyone who joined after then will have to pay an extra £25 to become a "registered supporter" – and will get a two-day window in which to do so.The NEC ruled that only those who have been members for more than six months will be allowed to vote – while new supporters will be given two days to sign up as registered supporters to vote in the race, but only if they are willing to pay £25 – far higher than the £3 fee many Corbyn backers paid in the contest last year. Labour’s membership has shot up to more than 500,000, according to party sources, as both Corbyn’s supporters and those who want to replace him recruit new supporters to their cause. But the introduction of the six-month cut-off point is likely to infuriate members who have joined in recent weeks with the hope of influencing the vote, and will not now be able to do so without paying an additional £25.As they say, "Never give a sucker an even break!"
As others have been saying the media has been dishonestly smearing Corbyn and this report gives some backing to the claim.Academics at LSE analysed months of newspaper articles about the Labour leader and found 75% of newspaper stories about Jeremy Corbyn fail to accurately report his views.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-media-bias-attacks-75-per-cent-three-quarters-fail-to-accurately-report-a7140681.html“Our analysis shows that Corbyn was thoroughly delegitimised as a political actor from the moment he became a prominent candidate and even more so after he was elected as party leader,” Dr Bart Cammaerts, the project director concluded.Academics at the London School of Economics analysed the content of eight national newspapers between 1 September and 1 November 2015, when Mr Corbyn was first elected.The media researchers found that in 52 per cent of articles about the Labour leader, his own views were not included – while in a further 22 per cent they were “present but taken out of context” or otherwise distorted. In just 15 per cent of 812 articles analysed, Mr Corbyn’s views were present but challenged, and in only 11 per cent were they present without alteration. In terms of tone, fewer than 10 per cent of articles were judged by the researchers to be positive, while more than half were antagonistic or critical. Around a third had a neutral tone. 28 per cent of articles analysed were based on anti-Corbyn Labour party sources, while 23 per cent were based on pro-Corbyn sources.
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