Jill Stein and the American Green Party
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August 21, 2016 at 3:46 am #84998alanjjohnstoneKeymasterQuote:The problem is, everybody loves Eugene Debs but nobody wants to be Eugene Debs. They are embarrassed to say that working people have to revolt, that they should not trust leaders including themselves, that the poorest and most oppressed of our society have the most power to transform it, much more so than self-promoting candidates, bureaucrats and academics. No, you don’t say these things among polite company.
http://libcom.org/news/real-problem-jill-stein-15082016
A useful article to widen the debate on the presidential elections and some interesting readers comments.
August 21, 2016 at 1:48 pm #121492ALBKeymasterI didn't think Jill Stein could have said this so I followed the link. And of course she didn't.
August 21, 2016 at 2:12 pm #121493alanjjohnstoneKeymasterWho said she did? I quoted the author on Debs, as comrades know, despite some fundamental flaws, i rather admire his writing. Debs has become a popular icon since Sanders campaign begun. I agree with one of the comments however.
Quote:the idea of running a Debs type campaign in 2016 is ahistorical. What gave his campaigns momentum was a mass socialist and anarcho-syndicalist movement that worked closely together and had overlapping memberships.And another points out the SPA had a wide grassroots presence "Scores of Socialists held municipal office" and Victor Berger was in CongressMakes you wonder, though, whatever happened to Daniel DeLeon's legacy…he seemed to have been written out of the left's labour history and disappeared….as now the SLP itself, it appears. Sorry for the confusion
August 21, 2016 at 5:58 pm #121494ALBKeymasterFair enough but these people standing in the US presidential elections seem more likely to talk about Debs than the Greens:http://vote-socialist.org/Hopelessly reformist of course.
August 21, 2016 at 7:15 pm #121495AnonymousInactiveThey are all the same old reformists who has existed for many years. Now, they have been awaken due to the campaign made by Bernie Sanders
August 21, 2016 at 7:25 pm #121496AnonymousInactivealanjjohnstone wrote:Who said she did? I quoted the author on Debs, as comrades know, despite some fundamental flaws, i rather admire his writing. Debs has become a popular icon since Sanders campaign begun. I agree with one of the comments however.Quote:the idea of running a Debs type campaign in 2016 is ahistorical. What gave his campaigns momentum was a mass socialist and anarcho-syndicalist movement that worked closely together and had overlapping memberships.And another points out the SPA had a wide grassroots presence "Scores of Socialists held municipal office" and Victor Berger was in CongressMakes you wonder, though, whatever happened to Daniel DeLeon's legacy…he seemed to have been written out of the left's labour history and disappeared….as now the SLP itself, it appears. Sorry for the confusion
I think Daniel DeLeon, and the Socialist Labor Party of America were closer to the real concept of socialism than Eugene Debbs, that is the reason why they are not mentioning him too much.
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