Jeremy Corbyn to be elected Labour Leader?
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alanjjohnstone wrote:Again i am on record suggesting we need a dedicated conference…
A physical conference in London where only a minority can attend?
lanz the joiner wrote:"Oh look, people who claim to be socialists are saying 'back to the 70's' just like the right-wing press. Weird."The Tories admit capitalism is driven by profits. We agree with them. Labour claim it can be run for the 'ordinary' people. We disagree with them . I dont think there is a way around that.. Apart from a carefully thought out Communications Strategy.
Again i'm on record as supporting e-democracy within the WSM using Skype or similar, Vin.I understand your concerns but i wish to go further than even you do to include all companion parties and beginning with EC meetings being accessible live on the netObviously the debate i seek has to start at branch level but the format of the conference i envisage may not even be based on branch delegations since i see the widest discussion, not simply a delegate repeating parrot fashion a branch decision as sometimes happens at Conference/ADM. I'm sure we can develop a more flexible form of one-off discussion conference although personally i'm a bit vague on its structure myself.But as DJP says…everybody gets a say on decision making via a postal ballot which means those who are not on the internet and therefore cannot have the privilege that you and i possess to follow exchanges on the forum and elsewhere nor free to attend physically conference still have their part to play.I think the report of the conference contributions regardless of the outcomes should be made into a pamphlet to show how we decide principles and positions democratically and people can evaluate the arguments made by various people. If you have a complaint about not being able to attend conference because of distance, think about us living overseas and there are now a fair number of us i'm guessing…
ALB, a couple of months ago i don't think too many would have anticipated such a situation in the Labour Party…Which means i cannot imagine how we can predict a couple of years down the line for them. Even next years elections strains our powers of prophecy. But i have seen online the first signs of disillusionment already…someone questioning Corbyn's failure to attend in person the Stop the War conference…and the same person posted a picture of Corbyn and McDonell posing with the flag of the Free Syrian Army as if it was freedom fighters and questioning their foreign policy knowledge.
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alanjjohnstone wrote:Again i'm on record as supporting e-democracy within the WSM using Skype or similar, Vin.Yes Alan I am aware of your position on that. Just saying
Usually they use the services of some retired army general – this is apparently a statement of a currently serving general http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/british-army-could-stage-mutiny-under-corbyn-says-senior-serving-general-10509742.html
Quote:The general staff would not allow a prime minister to jeopardise the security of this country and I think people would use whatever means possible, fair or foul to prevent that. You can’t put a maverick in charge of a country’s security. There would be mass resignations at all levels and you would face the very real prospect of an event which would effectively be a mutiny.”This is of course can be seen as just a part of the smear campaign against Corbyn … We've seen nothing like what it will be like in the run-up to a general election and what about an actual Corbym government.
Just what will the outome be if half the shadow cabinet and the many MPs support Cameron on a no fly zone?How will a free vote avert the implosion?Where does it leave the Parliamentary Labour Party if Labour Conference endorses the Corbyn left wing policies. Perhaps he'll not test their popularity?It seems just as Labour might pick up the vote lost to SNP , they will again hand the SNP role of being the government's opposition in Parliament.
Quote:The general staff would not allow a prime minister to jeopardise the security of this country and I think people would use whatever means possible, fair or foul to prevent that. You can’t put a maverick in charge of a country’s security. There would be mass resignations at all levels and you would face the very real prospect of an event which would effectively be a mutiny.”What does this say about the parliamentary road?Lends credence to our critics
Vin wrote:Quote:The general staff would not allow a prime minister to jeopardise the security of this country and I think people would use whatever means possible, fair or foul to prevent that. You can’t put a maverick in charge of a country’s security. There would be mass resignations at all levels and you would face the very real prospect of an event which would effectively be a mutiny.”What does this say about the parliamentary road?Lends credence to our critics
If it's true, what does it say about any road? Our critics on the left and their r-r-r-r-r-revolutionary romanticism of the barricades and molotov cocktails are as fucked as we are.Anyway, I call bullshit on this latest story. It feeds into the paranoia of the capitalist left. They want to believe it.
imposs1904 wrote:Anyway, I call bullshit on this latest story. It feeds into the paranoia of the capitalist left. They want to believe it.Where's the like button when you need it.
ALB wrote:Where's the like button when you need it.And the dislike button!
A modern historian's take on ithttp://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/curragh-mutiny-had-disastrous-effect-on-discipline-in-the-british-army-1.1734239The SPGB takehttp://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/1920s/1929/no-294-february-1929/parliament-and-army-curragh-%E2%80%9Cmutiny%E2%80%9DA related Forum discussion on this topic http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/forum/general-discussion/capitalism-sucksAs we often say the most effective strike is the one that didn't happen – the threat of industrial action was sufficient. In the same way, the military can carry out their coup by simply raising the prospect of one if it changes policy. But again i think the most obvious and likely "coup" will be Corbyn's own Labour Party MPs rebellions in the Commons which will force his hand much sooner to either back down on many of his principles or split the PLP.Their conference just might be worth observing this year and the coming years
How about this for the front cover of next standard
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