Jacque Fresco and the Venus Project

[Anonymous]

moderator1 wrote:

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You have in the past replied to ALL enquiries from forum users. Why don't you reply to mine? Why is it disruptive for me to ask a question? But OK for other forum members to do so?Why are you not moderating 'Bob Andrews' ? Why don't you tell forum users who he/she is?  

[robbo203]

LBird wrote:

 FWIW, I'm beginning to see why so many of the SPGB and its supporters (including robbo and YMS) sing from the same hymn-sheet as mod1. They all share a common ideology, which is totally unrelated to Marx's views, and totally unsuitable for a democratic socialism.

But that's what we advocate – a democratic socialist society!  Unlike the Leninist LBird  with his hairbrained scheme of de facto  society-wide central planning overseen inevitably by a technocratic elite

[LBird]

Tim Kilgallon wrote:

So what you are saying is. is that there is a small group of people (possibly only 1) who understnad Marx, and the rest of the population of the earth do not understand Marx. Sounds like you've identified an elite group with specialist knowledge, there, matey.

I've clearly answered this point many times, and I can't believe that you and the others are so forgetful, so I have to assume that this is a political tactic to discredit those who are critical of the SPGB's elitist support of unelected 'Specialists'.So, to add to robbo's version of 'What LBird says', we now have Tim's version of 'What LBird says'.If anyone is genuinely interested in critically assessing my views, and want to ask further questions about them, I can only ask that they first read what I write, and not what SPGB members and supporters make up, to hide their own inability to understand and debate.As I've said, this is a political tactic to discredit criticism, not simply personal disagreement or dislike.

[Anonymous]

LBird wrote:

Tim Kilgallon wrote:

So what you are saying is. is that there is a small group of people (possibly only 1) who understnad Marx, and the rest of the population of the earth do not understand Marx. Sounds like you've identified an elite group with specialist knowledge, there, matey.

I've clearly answered this point many times, and I can't believe that you and the others are so forgetful, so I have to assume that this is a political tactic to discredit those who are critical of the SPGB's elitist support of unelected 'Specialists'.So, to add to robbo's version of 'What LBird says', we now have Tim's version of 'What LBird says'.If anyone is genuinely interested in critically assessing my views, and want to ask further questions about them, I can only ask that they first read what I write, and not what SPGB members and supporters make up, to hide their own inability to understand and debate.As I've said, this is a political tactic to discredit criticism, not simply personal disagreement or dislike.

Again, LBird avoids answering the question and turns attention to the questioner.

[Anonymous]

LBird wrote:

As I've said, this is a political tactic to discredit criticism, not simply personal disagreement or dislike.

'Political tactic' my arse! You can't answer simple questions.

[robbo203]

LBird wrote:

Tim Kilgallon wrote:

So what you are saying is. is that there is a small group of people (possibly only 1) who understnad Marx, and the rest of the population of the earth do not understand Marx. Sounds like you've identified an elite group with specialist knowledge, there, matey.

I've clearly answered this point many times, and I can't believe that you and the others are so forgetful, so I have to assume that this is a political tactic to discredit those who are critical of the SPGB's elitist support of unelected 'Specialists'.So, to add to robbo's version of 'What LBird says', we now have Tim's version of 'What LBird says'.If anyone is genuinely interested in critically assessing my views, and want to ask further questions about them, I can only ask that they first read what I write, and not what SPGB members and supporters make up, to hide their own inability to understand and debate.As I've said, this is a political tactic to discredit criticism, not simply personal disagreement or dislike.

 LOL  LBird.  You have nerve to call your  critics forgetful.  Have you forgotten the number of times I and others have asked you straightforward questions which you have totally  bottled out of answering – questions about the mechanics or logistics of global decision making, for example,  Or questions about what is precisely the point of a global vote on the "truth" of some acane scientific theoryOf course you havent answered these questions and you never will and the reason why you never will is that you you dont like the idea of being caught with trousers down.Lets face it, matey- you're a Leninist through and through, pretending to be a democratic socialist/communist.  You might not see it like this but  that is where the logic of argument takes you

[Bijou Drains]

LBird wrote:

Tim Kilgallon wrote:

So what you are saying is. is that there is a small group of people (possibly only 1) who understnad Marx, and the rest of the population of the earth do not understand Marx. Sounds like you've identified an elite group with specialist knowledge, there, matey.

I've clearly answered this point many times, and I can't believe that you and the others are so forgetful, so I have to assume that this is a political tactic to discredit those who are critical of the SPGB's elitist support of unelected 'Specialists'.So, to add to robbo's version of 'What LBird says', we now have Tim's version of 'What LBird says'.If anyone is genuinely interested in critically assessing my views, and want to ask further questions about them, I can only ask that they first read what I write, and not what SPGB members and supporters make up, to hide their own inability to understand and debate.As I've said, this is a political tactic to discredit criticism, not simply personal disagreement or dislike.

it's interesting that you criticise me for not reading what you wrtie, but in your reply you left out what you did write, which was:"I've tried to help you make the leap, by providing a shortcut, many times, but you're ideologically unwilling to learn. Doesn't it worry you, that you'll probably die not understanding Marx, his social productionism and his democratic science? So many have already done so, mate"Were you embarrased by your elitist statement?Now I cannot understand how you could possibly claim that you are not claiming that you have knowledge and understanding that others do not, To break it down for you, "You will probably die not understanding Marx" I take from YOUR WORDS that Vin does not understand Marx. You follow that up with "So many have done so already" so there must be many people who have lived who haven't had this knowledge of Marx, So theer is a group of people who are classified by you as not understanding the things that you do. You therefore must by definition consider yourself to be part of the elite group who understand Marx..

[LBird]

Perhaps I'm being too generous towards you, Tim, and it's not forgetfulness or conscious political tactic, but that you simply don't understand discussions about epistemology, and are not capable of following a political argument.The surprising thing is that it appears to be widespread within the SPGB, if this site is anything to go by.It's a strange political party that can't discuss issues surrounding social power.

[Bijou Drains]

LBird wrote:

Perhaps I'm being too generous towards you, Tim, and it's not forgetfulness or conscious political tactic, but that you simply don't understand discussions about epistemology, and are not capable of following a political argument.The surprising thing is that it appears to be widespread within the SPGB, if this site is anything to go by.It's a strange political party that can't discuss issues surrounding social power.

that's right L Bird, I simply do not understand discussions about epistemology, I am not part of your elite group who do understand them (bows down and tugs forelock) , therefore when I vote on the "truth" of epistemological discussions in your proposed Socialist Society, I will probably not understand what I'm voting about and make a complete arse of it, or is epistemology not going to be democratically decided upon?

[moderator1]

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[Anonymous]

LBird wrote:

Perhaps I'm being too generous towards you, Tim, and it's not forgetfulness or conscious political tactic, but that you simply don't understand discussions about epistemology, and are not capable of following a political argument.The surprising thing is that it appears to be widespread within the SPGB, if this site is anything to go by.It's a strange political party that can't discuss issues surrounding social power.

 Why are we putting up with abuse and lies from this troll.  He is a liar, abusive and not interested in the Socialist Part.y A bit like  'Bob Andrews' et al. Can we have an explanation??He habitually – in almost every post – breaks rules 1, 2, 6 and 7. Why is he allowed to do this and why are trolls and spammers allowed  free reign when in the past moderators have been severe in their treatment of rule breaking by Socialist Party members. Why?MOD????  

[Anonymous]

May I take this opportunity to deliver an unreserved apology to Vincent. Although, I'm surprised how chippy he is. I would have thought he was used to being laughed at. But forty years ago he believes he was snubbed by 'little shit' Harry Young and has never got over it. Poor little chap. I feel like a murderer.

[Anonymous]

Bob Andrews wrote:

May I take this opportunity to deliver an unreserved apology to Vincent. Although, I'm surprised how chippy he is. I would have thought he was used to being laughed at. But forty years ago he believes he was snubbed by 'little shit' Harry Young and has never got over it. Poor little chap. I feel like a murderer.

'bob andrews' Afraid to use his real name because he was expelled for undemocratic actions but you still have friends in the party as they keep your dirty little secret, and don't even moderate your posts. Perhaps we missed a few lice.

[moderator1]

Vin wrote:

Bob Andrews wrote:

May I take this opportunity to deliver an unreserved apology to Vincent. Although, I'm surprised how chippy he is. I would have thought he was used to being laughed at. But forty years ago he believes he was snubbed by 'little shit' Harry Young and has never got over it. Poor little chap. I feel like a murderer.

'bob andrews' Afraid to use his real name because he was expelled for undemocratic actions but you still have friends in the party as they keep your dirty little secret, and don't even moderate your posts. Perhaps we missed a few lice.

2nd Warning: 7. You are free to express your views candidly and forcefully provided you remain civil. Do not use the forums to send abuse, threats, personal insults or attacks, or purposely inflammatory remarks (trolling). Do not respond to such messages.

[Anonymous]

'bob andrews' is not 'civil'. You are going to suspend a party member for drawing your attention to trolls and spammers. You should hang your head in shame. It is tantamount to action detrimental.

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