Israel V Iran
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Those are the so calledf anti-globalists ( in my dictionary it is called imperialism, and capitalist expansion ) and opponents of crummy capitalism, and the opponents of a myth known as the deep state instead of being called capitalist ruling class. The US has 800 millitary bases and spend around 75% of nation budget on the millitary apparatus and it is playing the victim card. The USA government wants to build a wall to protect their border against the Mexican immigration, but this picture shows that their border are extended to all countries around the world, therefore, the wall must be constructed around the US territory instead because they are the ones penetrating and invading all countries. The problem in our world is capitalism. and the real allies of all workers are the workers of all countries instead of their own rulers and capitalist class
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-iran-crisis-live-updates-war-golan-heights-syria-air-strikes-nuclear-deal-netanyahu-rouhani-a8344501.html Netanyahu said Israel's air strikes were “appropriate” because Iran had “crossed a red line.” Theresa May has told Benjamin Netanyahu that Britain supports Israel's right to defend itself against Iranian aggression during a phone call today."The Prime Minister condemned the Iranian rocket attacks against Israeli forces, and said we strongly support Israel's right to defend itself against Iranian aggression," Ms May's office said in a statement. Angela Merkel's office says the German leader has condemned an Iranian rocket barrage on Israeli positions in the Golan Heights in a phone conversation with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani.
alanjjohnstone wrote:The prelude to war?Israel accuses Iranians of launching rockets at IDF on Golan Heightshttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/09/iran-fires-20-rockets-syria-golan-heights-israelIDF spokesman, Lt Col Jonathan Conricus, told reporters, “This event is not over.”The Iranian government has denied the attack to Golan Heights
Golan Heights is an strategic millitary post for Israel and for the use of the water from the river, and there is significant amount of oil in Golan,( as well Iran have found new large deposit of oil in the caspian sea.) It is not part of the land of milk and honey promissed by Jehovah
Marcos wrote:The Iranian government has denied the attack to Golan HeightsThat's odd as a pro-Syrian government site posted tis:https://en.insidesyriamc.com/2018/05/10/syrian-army-launches-new-strtikes-into-occupied-golan-heights/Maybe they got the wrong end of the stick. But, as you point out, the Golan Heights are not part of Israel but a part of Syria occupied and annexed (illegally under international law, even if that's just a scrap of paper and in reality might is right in inter-state relations) by Israel.
ALB wrote:Marcos wrote:The Iranian government has denied the attack to Golan HeightsThat's odd as a pro-Syrian government site posted tis:https://en.insidesyriamc.com/2018/05/10/syrian-army-launches-new-strtikes-into-occupied-golan-heights/Maybe they got the wrong end of the stick. But, as you point out, the Golan Heights are not part of Israel but a part of Syria occupied and annexed (illegally under international law, even if that's just a scrap of paper and in reality might is right in inter-state relations) by Israel.
As you know this is a fight between capitalists gangsters and they lie to cover their actions. There is another source indicating that Russia gave the green light to Israel during their visit to Moscow and Russia is selling weapons to turkey. Capitalists are economic prostitute
Background information about the Golan Heights here:http://www.arabnews.com/node/1300901/middle-east
ALB wrote:Background information about the Golan Heights here:http://www.arabnews.com/node/1300901/middle-eastThe article doesn’t mention that there are millions barrels of oil in Golan Heights ( there is oil in Gaza too ) and China wants peace between Israel. Syria and Palestine and it has good commercial tie with them and China Silk Road will cross thru Syria and they are planning to invest billions of dollars in the reconstruction of Syria
We shouldn't over-focus on the potential wealth of Golan's resources. In 1967, it was occupied for strategic reasons and those have not disappeared. The Golan Heights offers the military of Israel commanding heights. Oil or no oil, Israel will be reluctant to surrender this advantage. If we seek to link it to resources, then it is water that is central as ALB's link and Wikipedia confirm.
alanjjohnstone wrote:We shouldn't over-focus on the potential wealth of Golan's resources. In 1967, it was occupied for strategic reasons and those have not disappeared. The Golan Heights offers the military of Israel commanding heights. Oil or no oil, Israel will be reluctant to surrender this advantage. If we seek to link it to resources, then it is water that is central as ALB's link and Wikipedia confirm.When Kwait was robbed from Iraq by the European empires and when they were running the train nobody knew it had large deposits of oil, when they discovered the oil, it became a very import stronhold for the western empires, specially the USA.When Golan was robbed from Syria nobody knew it had oil until 2015 and the Chinese are playing a very import role in the extraction of oil in that region, as well nobody knew that Gaza had large deposit of oil and gas.Most conflict in our world are related to the struggle for the control, dominion and extraction of oil and its market, it is all related to the production of profits, as well to turn Jerusalem into the capital of Israel is going to produce large amount of profits for the Israeli capitalists because it is going to become a center for tourism, and real estate, even more, there is a multi-millioniare who provided millions of dollars for Donald Trump campaign who wanted Jerusalem to become the capital of Israel and he is a real estate investor.Israel is also taking water from the Palestinian. Wikipedia is run by Zionists
Quote:Wikipedia is run by ZionistsWe have at least one member who is a regular editor of Wiki entries and i am sure that he would provide an answer to this.For sure vested interests and many more than just the Zionists try to steer Wiki but there is a structure that equally sets a balance. Google, Facebook, Yahoo and My Space have all been accused of being under Zionist control…Well, we all know it is the CIA , don't we lol
Marcos wrote:Wikipedia is run by ZionistsYou can't say that. I use wikipedia nearly every day and have never come across any evidence of Zionist influence. What this is saying is that the editors who decide content are either Zionists or people who take instructions from Zionists. I don't think this is an argument that can be sustained or even attempted. I don't doubt that both Zionists and the Israeli secret service try to influence the content of what wikipedia says on Israel. That's par for the course as all governments and corporations and people with an axe to grind will be trying to influence what it says on them. The point, as I understand wikipedia, is that this can be and is challenged by people who don't agree. Which makes wikipedia more reliable as a source of information than most of the stuff on the internet.
iProbably the Golan Heights is more or just as important to the Israelis for its water resources. https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-occupied-golan-heights-how-israel-thrives-from-syrias-natural-resources/5500214 They have had long interest in southern Lebanon for access to the Litani river. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litani_River Water is a big problem in Israel and they can’t just keep pumping it out of the ground as the aquifers are already low and they have potential geological problems the salt water leeching into it if they let the levels drop anymore. There is an additional problem now with the discovery of even larger oil and gas fields in Lebanese’s territorial water eg; https://www.chathamhouse.org/expert/comment/lebanon-set-oil-bonanza# Which will stir things up a bit. I think the Iran thing is more complicated and is probably an error to think of it one thing or another rather than a combination of separate interests. I think for the Saudi’s and other Gulf states Iran represents a political threat as an alternative state capitalist economic model, particularly as regards the surplus profits from oil extraction, as well as paying lip service to democracy. So the Arab street as they say maybe interested in an idea nationalising the Saudi oil industry using it to fund a kind of Norwegian style sovereign wealth fund. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Pension_Fund_of_Norway And I think you follow that more serious money into interfering with the US political process it is not a new idea eg ‘Arab Socialism’ ; …..The party constitutionof 1947 called for a "just redistribution of wealth", state ownershipof public utilities, natural resources, large industry, and transport, state control over foreignand domestic trade, limiting the agricultural holdings of owners to the amount the owner could cultivate, an economyunder some sort of state supervision, workers' participationin managementand profit sharing, respected inheritance and the rights of private property……… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_socialism The petty bourgeoisie as with the so called Iranian Bazaari in 1979 would have had an interest in that to fund the general paraphernalia of the state and infrastructure development etc rather than it being used for a decadent consumption fund for the Shah and his cronies as in Iran. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bazaari As with potentially Saudi and the other Gulf States. It can be quite curious to listen to the rantings of the Iranian leadership. Eg ….Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says capitalism 'in decay' as he meets the Castros in Cuba Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad slammed capitalism as bankrupt and called for a new world order on Wednesday on a visit to Cuba… https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9009165/Irans-Mahmoud-Ahmadinejad-says-capitalism-in-decay-as-he-meets-the-Castros-in-Cuba.html To all intents and purposes it looks like theocratic bolshevism mixed in with a bit of NEP. They say history repeats itself with the actors in slightly different costumes? I don’t think it is that straightforward trying to work out what the American capitalist class actually want or expect. Nominally the neocon ‘crazies in the basement’ want regime change in Iran, and Russia and presumably privatise the oil industry and open it up to more orthodox capitalist exploitation. But is difficult to believe that the capitalist class really think that is a possibility. I think it is more likely a matter of defy us and we will bomb you into the stone age and if we can’t have it nobody will. And the domino effect of recalcitrant nation [capitalist] states pursuing their ‘national interests’ and refusing to pay protection money. The protection money funds the considerable US military industrial complex and its facilitators, or ‘deep state’; and they must clearly have their own interests to be concerned about. I don’t think that the Israeli AIPAC has taken over the US government like some people think. I think it is more likely that the Israeli AIPAC is fused with the US deep state and its separate interest and narrow interests of the frontline protection racket side of the business. The FED banking sector and the Bank for International Settlements will also have an interest in maintaining the income from the production of counterfeit money or as the international reserve currency backed by the gulf state petro dollar system. There was a time when stumbling across a method of generating money, or a good gold mine was considered a dream. The more fantastic dream would be a limitless green paper money mountain. It looks like the Shia Muqtada al-Sadr has surprised everyone and might be doing well in the recent Iraqi elections, in alliance with the communist party! …He leads the al-Sairoon Coalition (The Marchers) that brings together his Sadrist Movement and the Iraqi Communist Party. The coalition has pushed an anti-corruption and anti-sectarian campaign…. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/05/iraq-vote-initial-results-show-pm-abadi-muqtada-al-sadr-leading-180513200426674.html Although I believe he is an Arab chauvinists and hates Persians, but there is nothing historically extraordinary about national hostility between co-religionists. There is a historical link between Shia theology and ‘socialism’. Thus; Muhammed Nakhshabis credited with the first synthesis between Shi'ismand European socialism.[8]Nakhshab's movement was based on the tenet that Islam and socialism were not incompatible since both sought to accomplish social equality and justice. His theories had been expressed in his B.A.thesis on the laws of ethics.[9]In 1943, Nakhshab founded the Movement of God-Worshipping Socialists, one of six original member organizations of the National Front.[10]The organization was founded through the merger of two groupings, Nakhshab's circle of high school students at Dar al-Fanoun and Jalaleddin Ashtiyani's circle of about 25 students at the Faculty of Engineering at Tehran University. The organization was initially known as League of Patriotic Muslims. It combined religious sentiments, nationalism and socialist thoughts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_socialism I suppose one could think it in terms of early British Methodism versus Church of England.
Well, my experience is different I have known many peoples who have been blocked from Wikipedia because they wrote different point of view on Israel and Zionism, and their email were sent to the Mossad . In Latin America wikipedia is known as the blackboard, and several peoples have tried to form their own Wilkipedia. There are articles in the internet which show that Israel, the Zionists and the Mossad are trying to influence in Wikipedia
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