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  • #254696
    Thomas_More
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    In Canterbury years ago I was by my Socialist Standard stand, while a few yards away people were gathering round and singing along with a busker playing John Lennon’s “Imagine.” When he finished, they dispersed, giving me cold looks as they went on their way.

    Irony indeed.

    #254739
    zugzwang
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    They were just Trotskyists (or maybe Yippies?) like Lennon was; of course they’re gonna give an SPGBer dirty looks!

    #255098
    james19
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    This…

    The same people calling for an a vote, election are the same people who told Scots after 10 years they can’t have a referendum for independence, the same people who are telling Remainers you can’t have a second referendum because that would be undemocratic.

    https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGd2Ac6uc/

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    #255536
    james19
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    A man is fearing for his life as he resembles the killer of CEO killed last week. Whoever, he’s published on x saying hate speech and misinformation is free speech.

    https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGdMer1uB/

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    #255545
    chelmsford
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    ‘Hate speech’ is a loaded, emotive and question-begging term. If you don’t believe in free speech for opinions you despise then you don’t believe in free speech at all. Many workers find socialist ideas hateful and an instance of so-called ‘misinformation’, does it follow socialists ought to be prevented (and possibly imprisoned) for propagating them?

    #255550
    Thomas_More
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    Exactly.

    David Irving’s (?) apparent Holocaust denial has banned him. So that means his book on the horror of the bombing of Dresden should also be banned?

    Now Woody Allen is ostracised, and not even for any legal conviction. So we shouldn’t watch his great films any more?

    Some call for Lillian Gish’s name and films to be expunged, because of Birth of a Nation. So we mustn’t watch her masterpieces, because of one film?

    It goes on. How can we learn if we just obliterate?

    #255570
    Citizenoftheworld
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    The socialist party has had public meeting with Nazi groups, and the Nazis comported better than the anti Nazis

    There was a religious writer who was always talking against the Catholic Church and then he discovered that all information printed by his church were taken from the Vatican archives and Catholic encyclopedia.

    Marx wrote his economic critiques based on David Ricardo who was a bourgeois economist

    In my personal library I have several versions of the Bible and I have read them but I am not going to throw them aways because it is a religious book

    #255572
    Thomas_More
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    No, of course not.

    I have three copies of a lovely KJV Bible with exquisite line drawings of places, people and other animals, of shepherds and Romans and maps, which I love because it was my school Bible.

    I also have the Koran in Penguin Classics edition and a nice collection of Koranic quotes with lithographs. I have Buddhist classics and the Greek myths too.

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    #255613
    james19
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    “In America we don’t kill people in cold blood.”

    https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGdM4wqNC/

    #255614
    Citizenoftheworld
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    It looks like he has not read the real history of the USA since the day that the Pilgrims arrived to North America. ( or the Turtle Island )

    Thanksgiving is the celebration of a cold blood killing wrapped on a mythology and May 1st was enacted after a massacre took place in Chicago.

    The ruling class wants to eliminate Howard Zin books from the educational system because he is one of the few historian who has written the real history, and Francis Jennings too and his books have not been republished.

    The historian Galeano wrote: We are poor because our land is rich, everything was taken by force, massacres, looting and killing

    #255615
    james19
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    It looks like he has not read the real history of the USA since the day that the Pilgrims arrived to North America. ( or the Turtle Island )

    Thanksgiving is the celebration of a cold blood killing wrapped on a mythology and May 1st was enacted after a massacre took place in Chicago.

    The ruling class wants to eliminate Howard Zin books from the educational system because he is one of the few historian who has written the real history, and Francis Jennings too and his books have not been republished.

    The historian Galeano wrote: We are poor because our land is rich, everything was taken by force, massacres, looting and killing

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    I will use some of this in the comments section. Very good post. Thanks for the references.

    #255616
    Citizenoftheworld
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    The Invasion of America
    Indians, Colonialism, and the Cant of Conquest

    By Francis Jennings

    The Invasion of America
    392 pp., 6.125 x 9.25, 7 illus., 4 maps, appends., notes, bibl., index
    PAPERBACK ISBN: 978-0-8078-7144-7
    Published: February 2010
    Published by the Omohundro Institute of Early American History and Culture and the University of North Carolina Press

    To purchase online via an independent bookstore, visit Bookshop.org
    Omohundro Institute Website
    Published by the Omohundro Institute of Early American History and Culture and the University of North Carolina Press
    In this iconoclastic book, Francis Jennings recasts the story of American colonization as a territorial invasion. The traditional history of early America paints the colonies as a transplantation of European culture to a new continent–a “virgin land” in which Native Americans were assigned the role of foil whose main contribution was to stimulate the energy and ingenuity of European dispossessors. Jennings rejects this ideology and examines the relationships between Europeans and Indians from a far more critical point of view. Shorn of old mythology and rationalizations, Puritan actions are seen in the cold light of material interest and naked expansion
    The invasion of America

    It was a real invasion and thousands of indigenous peoples were killed. It debunks all the mythological narratives

    #255618
    Citizenoftheworld
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Veins_of_Latin_America

    Open Veins of Latin America. All the brutal dictatorships supported by the USA

    https://library.uniteddiversity.coop/More_Books_and_Reports/Open_Veins_of_Latin_America.pdf

    Robberies, looting and killing.

    That book was given to Barrack Obama in order to read and learn about real history

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/apr/19/obama-chavez-book-gift-latin-america

    #255637
    Thomas_More
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    https://images.app.goo.gl/cLgwpWXrjAHUZgsH9

    “In America we don’t kill people in cold blood.”

    #255655
    Citizenoftheworld
    Participant

    The death penalty has been rejected by many so called third world countries, and the majority of Senators and state ministers have considered the death penalty to be a barbaric and criminal act approved by the same so called criminal laws

    More examples of killing peoples in cold blood and destroying the life of millions of peoples

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans

    https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/06/21/brief-history-us-concentration-camps

    https://www.lbi.org/exhibitions/virtual-exhibition-last-stop-before-the-last-stop/concentration-camps-existed-long-before-hitler-came-to-power/

    https://www.nps.gov/fosm/learn/historyculture/cherokee-round-up.htm
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_Massacre

    Natives peoples were placed in private schools and forced to abandon their language, religion and customs, and now many are suffering personal problems, the peoples from the reservation are suffering from poverty, drugs addictions, and family destruction, every years hundred of natives women are disappearing and are killed, the battles of 1492 continue, it has not stopped after 500 years of looting and killing, and more than 72 millions were exterminated in all continents

    This is not Nazis Germany, and this idiot has said that nothing has happened, and he was going to be part of the pool of heroes to be Kamala Harris vice president .

    He has a doctorate degree and he does not know anything about history, ( centers of brainwashing ) he must be reading comic books, and they want to burn books, what for? he should get his money back .

    I have known peasants and factory workers who can be his teacher on history, anthropology and economics

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