Imagine you could pass any law or regulation in a capitalist society in order to make it more socialist.
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lindanesocialist wrote:gnome wrote:I struggle to understand why our normally vigilant moderators are inexplicably tolerant of the continuing multiple postings from the so-called UserExperienceResearchSpecialist across several threads.While ignoring ADM floor resolutions suggesting that a party member should be allowed back on the forum.Perhaps there is a danger he may actually open up a discussion on matters of concern to the working class instead of a lot philosophical, metaphysical, and sexually perverted bullshit.
Proven that women have more balls than men
Steve-SanFrancisco-UserExperienceResearchSpecialist wrote:Tim Kilgallon wrote:If I could enact any law, I'd ban surveys and fuckin postcards as wellI have written that law for you and have a plan to enact it. Of course I made a postcard to get the news out and get support to pass the law. Here's what it says on the postcard I made for you. . . https://docs.google.com/document/d/12N92wl74vQathQT1hJmNkJsl_DsKrdU7XrO_O66ZH8o/edit#heading=h.3w86cm3wtzd6for your convenince the postcard desgin at the link above (wich looks nicer because you can format text in a google doc better than in this discussion forum) is copied here below. . .
We can stop junk mail and surveys that waste your time. We have a plan to stop it for good. Our political mailer philosophy is to prove we value your time and information by giving you 5 minutes of our time for reading this and completing a survey telling us how you want us to spend 5 minutes. It’s that easy to stop junk mail. We are going to make sure that junk mail solicitors value your time equal to their own like we do. We want you to vote YES on “Public Good for Public Time in Mailers Law”. Once enacted, every time consuming non-profit survey or mailer will have to give you an equal or greater amount of time for every minute of your time that they take! Imagine if every political mailer you received came with a 5 minute favor for your use? You could collect favors from that pile of political mailers on your coffee table and turn them into a new tree planted in the forest or on your sidewalk! Wouldn’t that be a better world? If you want to help more, we have other projects you can donate your 5 minutes towards like, “what if EVERY bank statement you received in your mailbox came with a 15 minute favor of your choice?” Well, I’m getting ahead of myself, but if you like the idea, then join our brainstorming branch and upvote it for more attention and time resources. make a suggestion, or vote to encourage our next choice for legislative action for the people, of the people, and by the people. This message was endorsed by and time data verified by a generous donation of time from the world socialist of Great Britain. Join with us to help stop junk mail.
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lindanesocialist wrote:nuts! A spammer gets a 1st warning AFTER Malcolm: a long standing knowledgeable socialiast gets oneI think you mean Marcos.
And Lindanesocialist, just how many times do the moderators have to accommodate your repeated breaches of the guidelines?How many times do you require to be told not to take it upon yourself to perform the moderators' task by deciding what action is warranted and what is not? For those of you who have forgotten RULE 15. Queries or appeals relating to particular moderation decisions should be sent directly to the moderators by private message. Do not post such messages to the forum. You must continue to abide by the moderators’ decisions pending the outcome of your appeal.You are already just one small step away from suspension, Lindanesocialist, and no more formal warnings from the moderators are necessary yet you persist in breaching the rules.Pay heed to this message and simply note its serious intent and there is no need nor cause to reply on the forum to this posting.
Linda's right though. And I'm far from the only one who thinks so…
twc wrote:What I will never do is report on anything or anyone in secrecy, privacy, anonymity…I discourage private discussion on forum matters. If it relates to the forum, it goes on the forum. No secret deals, pacts, connivances, factions in private on the free-and-open forum.mcolome1 wrote:This is the only forum where I have seen that matters related to a forum must be done in secrecy, like a Masonic temple. I prefer to do everything on the open. The only ones that handle everything on secrecy are the Central Committees of the Vanguard Party.Frankly, I do not like the way that this forum is being managed, it is too dictatorial and too autocratic, and it has too many rules, we can not say anything, because we can get a warning or a reminder.But times they are a-changin'…
I have decided not to partcipate in this forum anymore. I am hanging my boxing gloves. I will go to the places where they are discussing about the real problems of the working class. The socialist party has lost its working class basis. This is like a social club. Left wingers are doing a better job than this forum
moderator2 wrote:And Lindanesocialist, just how many times do the moderators have to accommodate your repeated breaches of the guidelines?How many times do you require to be told not to take it upon yourself to perform the moderators' task by deciding what action is warranted and what is not? For those of you who have forgotten RULE 15. Queries or appeals relating to particular moderation decisions should be sent directly to the moderators by private message. Do not post such messages to the forum. You must continue to abide by the moderators’ decisions pending the outcome of your appeal.You are already just one small step away from suspension, Lindanesocialist, and no more formal warnings from the moderators are necessary yet you persist in breaching the rules.Pay heed to this message and simply note its serious intent and there is no need nor cause to reply on the forum to this posting.Moderator 2, the rule you quote states:"queries or appeals relating to particular moderation decisions should be sent directly to the moderators by private message"Linda's posting was a COMMENT on a moderation decision, not a query, or an appealt. If it had been an appeal, she would have probably started the sentence with "I wuld like to appeal" if it had been query, it would have probably started with words lke "why" or "what", etc. Her sentence would also probably have ended with a question mark. Therefore Linda has clearly not breached any of the forum rules.Similarly, as you did not make a moderation decision, merely issued an implicit threat, my COMMENTS on your contribution are also within the guidelines and the rules, as they neither query a DECISION or appeal against a DECISION.I think the implied threat which you have made is clearly a case of a moderator acting "ultra vires". Whilst I respect and am grateful for the role of the moderators and genuinely understand the difficulties you face trying to moderate the forum, I am also of the personal opinion that the current rules, especially those which ban the questining of moderation decisions in public are unfit for a Socialist Orrganisation, However I am happy, until new rules and guidance are developed, to go along with them as they are written. I also think that this is a principle which should be applied to all participants in the forum, including moderators
Many thanks for your legal opinion and the lawyers latin, (a subject which never appeared in my school's timetable so i had to look it up)
Quote:*Forum rules* Your use of the forums indicates your agreement to abide by these rules, to abide by the decisions of the moderators in interpreting and enforcing these.I was amiss in not citing that earlier
Quote:should be applied to all participants in the forum, including moderatorsAs it did to this moderator who received a suspension for his post in reply to one of your own that tried my patience one time too manyBut, you have rightly deduced from my post to Cde. Lindanesocialist that it was indeed a threat of me now drawing a line in the sand that any more breaches and i will automatically suspend her from the forum. Again, i hope she fully and clearly understands this and takes care with her future postings.
mcolome1 wrote:I have decided not to partcipate in this forum anymore. I am hanging my boxing gloves. I will go to the places where they are discussing about the real problems of the working class. The socialist party has lost its working class basis. This is like a social club. Left wingers are doing a better job than this forumPlease don't do that comrade. Your contributions are intelligent and informed and, more importantly, democracy, socialism the working class and your opposition to dictatoral attitudes permeates your posts which is badly needed to counter the rubbish we have to read at times
lindanesocialist wrote:mcolome1 wrote:I have decided not to participate in this forum anymore. I am hanging my boxing gloves. I will go to the places where they are discussing about the real problems of the working class. The socialist party has lost its working class basis. This is like a social club. Left wingers are doing a better job than this forumPlease don't do that comrade. Your contributions are intelligent and informed and, more importantly, democracy, socialism the working class and your opposition to dictatorial attitudes permeates your posts which is badly needed to counter the rubbish we have to read at times
Thanks. As i have said on a private message I prefer to handle things concerning the forum in an open manner, if you want to tell me anything, you can tell it to me in front of my face, I have never being afraid to face the true , or to face my own mistake, if you are able to prove that I am mistaken, I will accept my mistakes on public.I love friends with their mistakes, and friends must show to their friends their own mistakes, i believe on friendship or comradeship based on principlesI come from the old generation of hard headed, and I do not like secrecy on a real communist-socialist party, those are the practice of the vanguard party, or the organizations working underground, I went thru that Blanquism and I did not like it, in any way, they hunted us like birdsI learned to be honest, open, sincere, ( ironically, i learned that with catholic priests, specially my brother Toñito ) and not to hide anything, and i learned to defend the party of the working class, and my comrades with my own life.As you said, I hate dictators and dictatorship, specially the dictatorship of the capitalist class, and their puppets. Socialism is my first love, and thru the Socialist Party I found what I have been looking for many years.For me, a socialist forum is in order to discuss about socialism, and about things that concern the working class. Our mission is to make socialists, and newcomers to this forum must learn about socialism, we are not business peoples, we are not selling anything, we are not for sale
moderator2 wrote:Many thanks for your legal opinion and the lawyers latin, (a subject which never appeared in my school's timetable so i had to look it up)Quote:*Forum rules* Your use of the forums indicates your agreement to abide by these rules, to abide by the decisions of the moderators in interpreting and enforcing these.I was amiss in not citing that earlier
Quote:should be applied to all participants in the forum, including moderatorsAs it did to this moderator who received a suspension for his post in reply to one of your own that tried my patience one time too manyBut, you have rightly deduced from my post to Cde. Lindanesocialist that it was indeed a threat of me now drawing a line in the sand that any more breaches and i will automatically suspend her from the forum. Again, i hope she fully and clearly understands this and takes care with her future postings.
Forum rules do indeed state that posters agree to abide by the decisions of the moderators.As I have stated very explicitly previously, no where in my posting, or in Linda's posting is there any indication that there is the intention of not abiding by any moderator's decisions, merely commenting.I also stated, and you clearly agree with this, that your posting to Linda was a threath "that any more breaches" will result in automatic suspension. However as I feel I pointed out earlier, neither Linda, nor for that matter myself, were querying or appealing against any decision, Linda commented on a moderation decision and I commented on her comment. Neither of these actions was in breach of the rules.As for interpretation, as you state the rules state that all posters agree to abide by the decisions of the moderators in interpreting and enforcing the rules. Linda did not state that she did not abide by any decisions you made in interpreting the rules, any more than I did.The problem here does not appear to be in understanding Latin, it appears to be more in understanding English.The only other possible way I can think of interpreting what you are saying is, that as a moderator you are able to interpret the rules in anyway that you see fit and that it is a breach of the rules for any forum member to comment on that interpretation or to publicly state that they disagree with the interpretation.I do not think for one moment you would be silly enough to place that kind of interpretation on the wording of the rules.I understand that at times that being a moderator must feel like a paret trying to sort out bickering kids. I do not want to add to your voluntary workload in this area, however perhaps the way forward here is a little moderation when undertaking moderation.
Obviously some users fail to grasp the reason the rules encourage us to contact the moderators regarding moderation decisions.The idea behind contacting the moderators off thread, regarding moderation decisions, is to allow a dsicussion to take place between moderator and forum user, that doesn't clog up the thread.
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