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Well, I think we laid down our case ( versus perverse ideologies ) which is different from all other groups and organizations that exist around the world. The SPGB/WSM is unique, Our principles as Wez said are logical and coherent and can be understood by any human being,
“I think it’s unfair on fanatics to call TS one. TS is just your common or garden pillock.”
The special needs kid is back! Here’s a candy child, run along and play…on the road.
We are being a bit unfair to Comrade Stalin. After all he couldn’t have achieved such control over the Soviet Union without the foundations being laid down by Comrades Lenin and Trotsky and those others who would eventually end up being traitors to the Revolution (and in our view they all indeed betrayed our fellow-workers in St Petersburg and Moscow and elsewhere)
The independence of the soviets (small s) took just 72 hours after the October Coup to be lost.
TS, I have spent many years as a Social Worker working alongside and supporting people with intellectual disabilities, some of whom were the kindest, most insightful and thoughtful people I have met.
I find it no insult to be associated with those people.
As someone who purports to be a Socialist, you should hang your head in shame for using oppressive and insulting language about fellow workers who have become one of capitalisms most oppressed groups (operation T4, long term incarceration, institutionalisation, forced sterilation, murder, stigma, bullying, harrasment and your particular favourite, name calling and insult).
I’d far rather be associated with those kind, thoughtful, insightful people like that, than be associated with someone like you, who clearly takes the side of the oppressor and against the oppressed.
I suppose, given your posting and your attitude towards oppressed people, it should not be surprising that you take the part of the Chinese “communist” capitalists against the struggles of workers against the growing Chinese capitalist class. You are clearly no part of the working class struggle.
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https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/forum-rules-and-guidelines/“After all he couldn’t have achieved such control over the Soviet Union”
And thank God they did. If the workers had followed the advice of clowns like you they’d have been crushed by the Whites and the 17 foreign armies that invaded to restore tsarism. I don’t know where this high opinion you people have of yourselves originates from but it really is comical.
“The debate on Grover Furr is always about form – the person, his writing style, his alleged motives, his allege dishonesty or lack of qualifications, and never about content – the evidence presented, what it shows, and whether it’s true or not. The infantile pseudo-left responds to science with provocation, facts with hostility, reason with insults, ideological questions with personal attacks, and the deep questions posed by Furr’s work with shallow criticisms.”
It is interesting that you have still not answered the question about the “reintroduction” of capitalism (a system of exploitation of man by man), despite the Chinese “communist” Party having claimed to have “superseded the system of exploitation of man by man”
Your silence on this issue speaks volumes
The debate with Furr is all about the production of actual evidence which consists of more than simply guilt by association and confessions, all circumstantial
The German and Japanese archives has been scoured by numerous dispassionate neutral researchers and not one piece of documentation has been produced to confirm any conspiracy with those countries by those tried during the Moscow Trials.
Where is the case that the accused plotted to murder Lenin and Gorky?
That is why Furr concentrates upon what HE interprets to be proof, to make up for the total lack of any corroborating evidence.
The Stalinist Society is scarcely an unbiased sh
“It is interesting that you have still not answered the question about the “reintroduction” of capitalism”
Rubbish, I’ve answered the question multiple times. They’re developing the productive forces. This approach is consistent with Marxism.
“The debate with Furr is all about the production of actual evidence which consists of more than simply guilt by association and confessions, all circumstantial”
Firstly, you’ve never read a word of Furr so you’ve zero authority to criticise him. Second, you think confessions aren’t evidence?! In what world do you live in, man? Confessions absolutely ARE evidence. Thank God you’re not a lawyer. First you confuse hearsay with eye-witness testimony then you claim confessions aren’t evidence? Don’t give up your day job. The stupid-factory needs your valuable labor.
BD“It is interesting that you have still not answered the question about the “reintroduction” of capitalism”
TS- Rubbish, I’ve answered the question multiple times. They’re developing the productive forces. This approach is consistent with Marxism.
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Supersede
– Cambridge dictionary definition -“to replace something older, less effective, or less important or official:”
Why then was it necessary for the Chinese “communist” Party to reintroduce a system (capitalism) that it claimed it had superseded (i.e. by definition replaced by a more effective system) in order to develop the productive forces? If it had introduced a more effective system it would not need to use capitalism to build up productive sources, as by their own definition “underdeveloped socialism” was more effective than capitalism.
So can you please explain why did the Chinese “communist” Party introduce a system which, by their definition, was less effective than their claimed system of underdeveloped socialism?
“So can you please explain why did the Chinese “communist” Party introduce a system which, by their definition, was less effective than their claimed system of underdeveloped socialism?”
Unlike you and your pathetic band of misfits, sorry party, the CPC is actually responsible for improving the lives of 1.4 billion people. Their party is one of the few in human history to have ever made the attempt to bring about a socialist society. There is no manual for doing so. They operate in the real world not the utopian fantasy world you envision.
In the real world compromises must be made and challenges overcome. Mistakes will inevitably be made. As will advancements. Building socialism is a process. You will never understand this. Instead you live in la-la land with your fellow naval gazers believing yourself keeper of the holy flame of true Marxism. Such arrogance.
While the Chinese are busy building socialism you and your party are busy manufacturing liberals. You are obscurantist, broken brained memes of the sectarian left. Instead of good faith criticism for other socialist projects you only condemn. You are the enemy of Marxists everywhere and the ally of reactionaries everywhere. Your party is worthy of nothing but contempt and derision. You are hypocrites all and what’s more, haven’t a sense of humor between the lot of you. You are boring. LOL
BD – “So can you please explain why did the Chinese “communist” Party introduce a system which, by their definition, was less effective than their claimed system of underdeveloped socialism?”
Ts “Unlike you and your pathetic band of misfits, sorry party, the CPC is actually responsible for improving the lives of 1.4 billion people. Their party is one of the few in human history to have ever made the attempt to bring about a socialist society. There is no manual for doing so. They operate in the real world not the utopian fantasy world you envision.
In the real world compromises must be made and challenges overcome. Mistakes will inevitably be made. As will advancements. Building socialism is a process. You will never understand this. Instead you live in la-la land with your fellow naval gazers believing yourself keeper of the holy flame of true Marxism. Such arrogance.
While the Chinese are busy building socialism you and your party are busy manufacturing liberals. You are obscurantist, broken brained memes of the sectarian left. Instead of good faith criticism for other socialist projects you only condemn. You are the enemy of Marxists everywhere and the ally of reactionaries everywhere. Your party is worthy of nothing but contempt and derision. You are hypocrites all and what’s more, haven’t a sense of humor between the lot of you. You are boring. LOL”
So I’ll take that’s a long winded way of you saying that you can’t answer the question?
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