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Of course, for fans of trains, there is good news: Shangai-Hamburg freight line
“The “Shanghai Express,” loaded with 50 containers of goods including apparel, auto parts, and solar panels, will travel more than 10,000 km in two weeks before arriving in Hamburg, according to Shanghai Customs.”
I think that is rapidly scalable, and is good news at a human level.
But this is an interesting nugget:
http://www.news.cn/english/2021-09/30/c_1310220035.htm
“In a State Council executive meeting held last week, the country’s top policymakers stressed efforts in cross-cyclical adjustment, pledging to take more market-oriented measures to stabilize commodity prices and further promote consumption.” Whether the CCP is ideologically driven by the profit motive, it is clearly in the business of trying to manage profit driven entities and maintain the logic of markets.This thread is becoming tedious
This may well be the harbinger of the problems of many nations and environmentalists should take note that capitalism, in whatever form, is not a harmonious system but one that is constantly in crisis.
Solution to climate change may appear very simple but for capitalism, the need to ensure low costs is primary and if production isn’t profitable, businesses will respond to protect their own profitability.
This isn’t an anti-China issue but one that the world itself faces.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/china-energy-crisis-more-reluctant-100606552.html
“This individual is possibly the most politically naïve individual ever to visit these pages. It is a testament to the patience of comrades that they continue to indulge him.”
I find debate with reactionaries pretty dreary going too, so it works both ways. I mean, Alan calls the CIA “friend”, a sentiment you no doubt all share. At any rate, no one’s forcing you to read along. on your bike then, rack off.
TrueScotsman
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“This individual is possibly the most politically naïve individual ever to visit these pages. It is a testament to the patience of comrades that they continue to indulge him.”I find debate with reactionaries pretty dreary going too, so it works both ways. I mean, Alan calls the CIA “friend”, a sentiment you no doubt all share. At any rate, no one’s forcing you to read along. on your bike then, rack off.
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Nobody is forcing you to stay in this forum. If you subscribe to a forum of Stalinists, Leninists, or Maoists they will kick you out, and you are going to be the reactionary. This forum is your personal catharsis.
It looks that you do not know the history of the government of China since 1949 and the history of the so-called Communist Party of China, they have supported all kinds of backward, reactionaries, right-wing government and personalities, the first reactionary was Mao who made an alliance with Richard Nixon and the government of the USA and created one of the most reactionary theories known as the Three World Theory.
Everything is written in Peking Review and The Collected Works of Enver HoxhaBased on that theory they supported the government of Augusto Pinochet who was placed in power by the CIA, and also they made an alliance with Chiang Ka sheik, the head of the Asian Anti Communist League and he was another asset of the CIA, and that alliance is in the works of Mao Tse Tung, and most of the Maoist Party considered Xen Diago Ping as a reactionary dog.
The government of China and its president is collaborating with one of the most reactionary government in South America which is the government of Chile presided by Pinera, they are collaborating with right-wing and left-wing presidents, they are playing both sides
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-11/17/c_137613999.htm
https://atalayar.com/en/content/chinas-advance-latin-america-scares-eu
More Leninists parties are rejecting the government of China and the Communist Party of China than supporting them, present only fools are the ones supporting the CPC, and there are hundreds of organizations on the internet who have published their stand regarding China and its leadership
‘I find debate with reactionaries pretty dreary going too, so it works both ways. I mean, Alan calls the CIA “friend”, a sentiment you no doubt all share. At any rate, no one’s forcing you to read along. on your bike then, rack off.’
This is the kind of ludicrous statement that stopped my attempting to communicate with this guy in the first place – what interests me is why comrades continue to debate with him.
Wez
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‘I find debate with reactionaries pretty dreary going too, so it works both ways. I mean, Alan calls the CIA “friend”, a sentiment you no doubt all share. At any rate, no one’s forcing you to read along. on your bike then, rack off.’This is the kind of ludicrous statement that stopped my attempting to communicate with this guy in the first place – what interests me is why comrades continue to debate with him.
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We only have two choices:
1) To let him cook himself in his own sauce and to prove that we are a democratic organization where anyone can publish their ideas without being expelled unless the rules of the forum are violated2) To combat his ideas to lay down to other members or visitors of the forum who are not members of the socialist party, the principles of the socialist party case, and to combat leftism and false socialism.
He will die out, he has no theoretical background to combat our ideas and conceptions. He is just using what the leftists call the tactic of the Sniper by shooting anything and citing anything to prove his mistakes and distorts
I have seen many combative leftwingers who know their own case, but this one is an amateur, he is a student trying to give lectures to this university on socialism known as the Socialist Party of Great Britain/World Socialist Movement
We have been here for more than 100 years, other organizations bigger than us like the Bolsheviks Party, The Labor Party of Albania, etc, etc, have vanished from the face of the earth and we continue publishing our monthly journal and continue defending socialism against all kind of charlatans
‘We only have two choices’
MS- I think there’s a 3rd choice which is to try and understand the psychological motivation behind such perverse ideologies. As you say we have encountered similar Left/Right reactionary delusions on countless occasions. Belief in any ideology is primarily emotional and irrational and our logical approach has no impact on it. You may be correct that very occasionally a casual reader might be impressed by our coherent case but this, in my experience, is very rare. We, of course, like to believe that our socialism is entirely logical and coherent but there is much more to it than that. Comrades like Alan and yourself believe socialism to be a matter of ‘common sense’ that people can access through rational debate but I see little evidence for this. A good insight into why we believe what we believe, in terms of psychology and emotion, may help us understand why our opponents believe what they do.
Wez
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‘We only have two choices’MS- I think there’s a 3rd choice which is to try and understand the psychological motivation behind such perverse ideologies. As you say we have encountered similar Left/Right reactionary delusions on countless occasions. Belief in any ideology is primarily emotional and irrational and our logical approach has no impact on it. You may be correct that very occasionally a casual reader might be impressed by our coherent case but this, in my experience, is very rare. We, of course, like to believe that our socialism is entirely logical and coherent but there is much more to it than that. Comrades like Alan and yourself believe socialism to be a matter of ‘common sense that people can access through rational debate but I see little evidence for this. A good insight into why we believe what we believe, in terms of psychology and emotion, may help us understand why our opponents believe what they do.
___________________________________________________________________________A third choice might be applicable too, and as I said before this forum is his own personal Catharsis because most Maoists are like the Evangelicals and they are fanatics and irrational too which might prove your point
The so-called Cultural Revolution is the best evidence of being fanatics, it was like a religion. They were always going thru a process of rectification similar to the faith revival of the Evangelicals. We have never had to do that because we are based on principles instead of been based on the cult of personality and leadership
I remember that some supporters of the Chinese revolution and Mao used to get killed or beaten by the police and military just to recover a picture of Mao Tse Tung and they will look for all kinds of false arguments to justify their thinking, even more, they denounced each other based on minor ideological differences
It is also psychological because they have also been brainwashed or indoctrinated, although some hardcore Maoists are saying that the actual government of China is anti-Maoist, they are based on the old teaching of Mao, like Stalinism is based on Leninism and the Trotskyists want to deny it
This is already a monotonous topic and it is repetitive and it is going into an endless cycle like a labyrinth but we can not block it because we can be accused of censorship, they will do it against us, but we will not do it against them. I know these people like the palm of my because I dealt with them for several years, some are still living in 1959.
The followers of the so-called tendency known as Indigenous socialism they are even worst, they think that communism started in the XII century and it have continued until now, and they mix socialism with magic, that is the reason why many became Maoists
Xi’s 10-point plan
http://www.xinhuanet.com/2021-08/11/c_1127752490.htm
(since I previously linked to a Chinese language page you seem surprised I understood what it said. Useful tip – click translate)
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He does not know that there are hundreds of translation software, such as Babel, Google, Microsoft, Any documents in any foreign language can be translated into the English language, and there are bilingual/multilingual dictionaries, and there were small devices for translation which many central committees used to translate documents from Russia, China, and Albania. I have published many documents of the SPGB with a summary attached in another language. Beijing Review ( old Peking review ) continues to be published in different languages
http://www.bjreview.com.cn/90th/2011-04/26/content_357494.htm. Beijing Review
http://www.bjreview.com.cn/90th/2011-04/26/content_357494.htm. China news in Spanish, they also have it in French, Portuguese, etc, etc,
before they had shortwave transmissions in a different language as well Moscow, and Tirana, many had a shortwave radio to listen to the news and cultural program. I have a Telefunken and Zenith Transoceanic. We are old fox in this movement, we are not amateursTrueScotsman
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“This principle of from each according to their ability, to each according to their work is still put forward by the Chinese “communist” Party as the basis of the current economic system within China.”Provide evidence for this claim.
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It is written on page 13 of his books. He is not an innovator, he is just repeating old conceptions
TrueScotsman
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“I don’t believe anybody seriously believes Xi
intends to dispossess the rich. Rather, just like
many other countries, even some conservative ruled
ones, there may be higher taxes imposed.”Shows how little you know.
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There is a pandemic of right wings governments trying to increase taxation. The plan did not work out and the vault is running dry, China is an alternative to the IMF
Bailouts From Beijing: How China Functions as an Alternative to the IMF
https://hbr.org/2020/02/how-much-money-does-the-world-owe-chinahttps://www.yahoo.com/news/nothing-left-live-evergrande-meeting-174442622.html
The same crisis faced by other capitalists countries, China is not an exception. Evergrande meeting became a chaos
An interesting article on Iran and China from the International Communist Tendency
http://libcom.org/blog/china-iran-accords-silk-road-some-other-imperialist-manoeuvres-01102021
China is thus fully entitled to be ranked as one of the great imperialist powers.
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