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Alan,
It is the same argument of the Cold War, anybody who raised a critique against the Soviet Union or its leadership, was considered an enemy of mankind, a CIA agent, a defender of imperialism, and enemy of the peoples of the soviet union, because of that many peoples were executed. Didn’t Marx say that everything must be questioned? Anybody that raised a critique against Lenin, Stalin, Mao, or Hoxha was considered a revisionist
National Endowment for Democracy money – No secret
https://www.ned.org/region/asia/hong-kong-china-2020/
And let us not forget George Soros and Jimmy Lai’s money.
Should have Lenin rejected the Kaiser’s money?
Should have the 1916 Irish rebels refused the Kaiser’s help?
In the past, China and the CPC financed most of the Maoist parties and guerrillas movements
“In the past, China and the CPC financed most of the Maoist parties and guerrillas movements”
Are you saying there is a moral equivalency between socialist support for revolutionary groups and CIA support for reactionary groups? You are a joke MS.
TrueScotsman
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“In the past, China and the CPC financed most of the Maoist parties and guerrillas movements”Are you saying there is a moral equivalency between socialist support for revolutionary groups and CIA support for reactionary groups? You are a joke MS.
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Those were not revolutionary groups and revolutionary movements, those were terrorist groups like the same ones supported by the USA. I know more than you about that. It was terrorism against terrorism. It is not a matter of morality, it was not a church, they were inter-class disputes.
You are the joke who is giving opinions in movements you do not know, have not participated in them, have not been members of them, and have not studied them.
There were Maoist groups robbing banks to finance their own operations and killing the employees of the banks, as well there were Maoist groups dealing with the drug traffics to finance their operations, and many of those groups were financed by the CPC.
Most of those groups financed by China vanished from the face of the earth, did not promote any revolutionary movement, many of their leaders became part of the capitalist state and became as reactionary as anybody else because it was a movement without any political foundation for liberation
If you do not have any theoretical foundation, you better close your mouth,
“National Endowment for Democracy money – No secret”
So, you now admit that the US was funding the protests just as I have been saying? Does that mean you are a “conspiracy theorist” too? LOL
“And let us not forget George Soros and Jimmy Lai’s money.”
Given that I’ve previously mentioned Jimmy Lai’s role in the protests what makes you think I have forgotten? He is now under arrest for his activities.
Behind a made-for-TV Hong Kong protest narrative, Washington is backing nativism and mob violence
“Should have Lenin rejected the Kaiser’s money?
Should have the 1916 Irish rebels refused the Kaiser’s help?”
Alan now asks why shouldn’t the CIA be funding and organising colour revolutions in nations the US targets for regime change. A statement so despicable that he should be expelled from any socialist party worth its salt. Alan shows his true colours and fully reveals himself to be a wolf in sheep’s clothing. I don’t have enough invective in me to fully express how little I think of him.
“The NED was founded in 1983 following a series of scandals that exposed the CIA’s blood-soaked covert actions against foreign governments. ‘It would be terrible for democratic groups around the world to be seen as subsidized by the CIA,’ NED President Carl Gershman told the New York Times in 1986. ‘We saw that in the Sixties, and that’s why it has been discontinued. We have not had the capability of doing this, and that’s why the endowment was created.’
Another NED founder, Allen Weinstein, conceded to the Washington Post’s David Ignatius, ‘A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA.’”
“There were Maoist groups robbing banks to finance their own operations and killing the employees of the banks, as well there were Maoist groups dealing with the drug traffics to finance their operations, and many of those groups were financed by the CPC.”
MS believes the ruling class is spontaneously overthrown by people sipping cups of tea and eating scones. LOL
TrueScotsman
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“There were Maoist groups robbing banks to finance their own operations and killing the employees of the banks, as well there were Maoist groups dealing with the drug traffics to finance their operations, and many of those groups were financed by the CPC.”MS believes the ruling class is spontaneously overthrown by people sipping cups of tea and eating scones. LOL
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It shows that you do not have any political foundations, you are just an empty suit. The ruling class will be overthrown by the political consciousness working class, it would not be overthrown by Blanquist terrorist groups, even more, if the world working class acquire consciousness the ruling class would be force to give up, but the ruling class can not be overthrown by a small group of terrorists, on the contrary, the ruling class will wipe out them.
Even more, protests on the streets and confrontation with the police do not create any type of changes either, millions of people have taken the streets and the ruling class has continued with their previous planning including wars. I grew up in this movement, I am not an amateur, who left one capitalist empire to become a fanatic bootleaker of another one
If the workers in China raise up against state capitalism as a minority group they would be wiped out too. because they would be confronting a force stronger than them
The Socialist Party is financed by their own members, we do not have to go outside and kill other workers to finance our operations,
A poor policeman ( most were peasants who joined the police force without any type of academic education ) was killed by a bunch of terrorists to take his gun, and the wife is left with 5 or 7 children that she was not able to support
Do you call the revolutionary movement the support given by CPC to the government of Augusto Pinochet and others reactionaries dictators? Since you do know the world history of these movements, that action provoked a large division among the Maoist movement around the world by the application of the so-called Three World Theory. Continue reading comics books
MS believes the ruling class is spontaneously overthrown by people sipping cups of tea and eating scones. LOL
No he does not believe anything of the sort. It will be the mature, politically conscious task of the immense majority to make it happen and not the minority vanguardist led actions of pseudo-revolutionaries.
It is will be overthrown by a politically conscious immense majority who, unlike yourself, know what socialism is and is not, thus will not be led up the garden path by leader types and disinformation from apologists of Leninist state capitalism.” The emancipation of the working classes must be conquered by the working classes themselves. We cannot, therefore, co-operate with people who openly state that the workers are too uneducated to emancipate themselves and must be freed from above by philanthropic big bourgeois and petty bourgeois.”
(1879 Marx and Engels )
MS believes the ruling class is spontaneously overthrown by people sipping cups of tea and eating scones. LOL
No he does not believe anything of the sort. It will be the mature, politically conscious task of the immense majority to make it happen and not the minority vanguardist led actions of pseudo-revolutionaries.
It is will be overthrown by a politically conscious immense majority who, unlike yourself, know what socialism is and is not, thus will not be led up the garden path by leader types and disinformation from apologists of Leninist state capitalism.” The emancipation of the working classes must be conquered by the working classes themselves. We cannot, therefore, co-operate with people who openly state that the workers are too uneducated to emancipate themselves and must be freed from above by philanthropic big bourgeois and petty bourgeois.”
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Matt
He does not know those principles, Instead of coming here to learn, he is just acting like a sniper shooting everything without any theoretical bits of knowledge. As Hegel said: You have to go thru the pain and suffering to obtain knowledge, it takes time to learn, but in order to learn, you must open the doors and windows of your brain, and read the proper sources
“A poor policeman ( most were peasants who joined the police force without any type of academic education”
Cry me a river for the “poor policeman” whose job it is to crush strikes, evict families from their homes, enforce private property relations and gun down protesters and revolutionaries. The world’s smallest violin is playing for them.
“No he does not believe anything of the sort. It will be the mature, politically conscious task of the immense majority to make it happen and not the minority vanguardist led actions of pseudo-revolutionaries.”
Said no serious revolutionary ever. How’s that working out for your mob? Zero success in over a century? At least your track record of failure is consistent, I guess?
I repeat you do not know anything about world history you do not know what country or society I am talking about
You are referring to USA police force
The message said uneducated peasants and their salary was around 30 dollars a month
Don’t you know that policemen and armed forces are members of the working class ? They must also obtain political and class consciousness
What are the failures of the socialist party ? Can you mention them ? Have you studied the history of the socialist party ? Have you read and studied the index of the socialist party ?
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