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Comrade Steve Colborn has emailed asking for help to deal with this “numpty”:
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And you’re history degree is in? Societal change has occurred for many reasons through the centuries, from wars to disease to religion, to changes in land use / agricultural advances and industrial technology to even the decrees of a puritan ‘Lord Protector’ who banned Christmas and dancing!!!My assertion is not a ‘mantra’ but a simple test of reality, a one that your theories would either pass or fail. And why does it need to be ‘worldwide’ socialism to pass this test? Surely if your group had enough faith in their own ‘mantras’ then they would be confident enough that they would pass the test and that they would be able to let the world then decide what was best for them.
Then the ‘workers’ could see for themselves…or is that the problem?What your group has conveniently done is created a system, based upon one man’s theory that it is unwilling to prove, yet says that everyone should follow for their ’emancipation’. Leaderless, moneyless, classless, yet even in your assertions of these things your group is proved to be hypocritical. Leaderless – you have executive officers, classless – likewise, there is a defined heirarchy within your group, moneyless – your group asks for a payment of 5 quid a month from all its members.So, you need this structure to function – the very same structure that you beleive your perfect society can run without, yet even you cannot do so. Ah, but I forgot, under your system there would be no need for all of this because of the workers controlling it all etc. Yet you are unwilling to give it a go, live the lifestyle that you advocate for others and try to side-step it by useage of convenient excuses.You say that it is I who cannot grasp the concepts. Is it just possible that it is you who has become blinkered to the point that all you can see is ‘your’ way and no other, that you are right and all else is wrong?The simple answer is that your party will never want to prove itself to anyone, because it cannot do so by its own admission. No system is perfect, but no-one will ever change (in a modern era, via the ballot box) from that unless it can be demonstrated that the alternative is at least worth giving a go to.Impossibility is the right word for it. One man, one theory, and unprovable because he or you say so. The world will never change because of it, unless you present a credible, provable alternative to what is now, imperfect or not.You are indeed locked in your own circle, a one of your own making, and until you unlock it, you will never succeed.Hes on this website, log on and sign up, its getting repetitive for one comrade.any help appreciated.Go to the site, click on features click on letters, sign up and join in.
Socialist Party Head Office wrote:Comrade Steve Colborn has emailed asking for help to deal with this “numpty”:He’s on this website, log on and sign up, its getting repetitive for one comrade.http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/any help appreciated.Go to the site, click on features click on letters, sign up and join in.Can’t find this particular thread although I see Steve’s posted comments elsewhere.
steve colborn wrote:The thread is “Dying to Help.Thanks Steve, and well done. The link below makes it easier for folk to view, and to take part in, the affray.http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/features/letters/9803524.Dying_to_help/I’ll be along later to take part!
“It’s true ! He stood for election in the 1999 European elections, I looked it up. He did very well really considering his policies make the monster raving loonies look like the Synod of the Anglican Church. He and his mates obtained (no giggling at the back there) 0.4 % of the vote. Even the Trots got 1.8%.And you people are going to debate with him ? You don’t know what you are letting yourself in for. This is the Monty Python of political parties, total fruitcakes. Their national membership amounts to several, because anyone who is daft enough to join (you have to take a written test to join them, I jest not) leaves after a few months. The few that remain loyal are a very odd lot, and I mean VERY. Read my posting on 10th at 4.03.I knew a bloke who was a member for a year back in the 70’s. That’s how I know about them. He used to have the pub in stitches telling us about it.If someone can be bothered to look it up I’d love to know his result in the general election.Good luck with that debate. Polish up on obscure socialists like Daniel De Leon.” the latest post on the dying to help thread.
steve colborn wrote:It’s true ! He stood for election in the 1999 European elections, I looked it up.Our numpty missed these results:http://www.andrewteale.me.uk/leap/results/2007/188/ {scroll down to Deneside)That’s how it will be in the last days of capitalism. No Tories. A straight fight between us and the Labour Party!
Longbowman666 says…
Interesting post, Jezreel – been catching up as have been out most of the day. Your reference to Monty Python in connection to this puts me in mind of the ‘Life of Brian’ segment -Crowd: ‘No! Follow the gourd! No! Follow the sandal!’Brian: ‘But I’m not the Messiah!’Man: ‘I say you are, and I should know. I’ve followed a few!’The point at issue is not whether the system proposed is correct or not, but whether or not such a system could or should be accepted at face value, with no evidence that it can work to back it up? And whether Steve or his pals like it or not, by their own admission, there isn’t. The theories are just simply that and nothing more, and yet the ‘workers’ are expected to swallow it as it will lead to their ’emancipation’! And this ‘alternative’ as it has been called is supposed to be THE ANSWER (which I always thought was 42 but there you go), but how can it be a workable alternative, which is expected to be applied globally, when no-one even knows if it actually ‘works’!What kind of an ‘alternative’ is that? True, other systems have their faults, but at least you can see them and you know what they are. With this ‘Socialism’ (or rather the Karl Marx version of it, seems to be several but this is the only ‘true’ one…it seems. ), you can’t see them because its never been tried even on a small scale, so no evidence base to work from, but that’s okay because you’ve been told that it WILL work. (because Mr Marx and a select few other theorists believe it to be so).Jesus managed to found Christianity on the foundations of belief – I doubt very much that the ‘party’ ever will be able to repeat that success, especially given those stunning results!Hi Steve
I’ve just posted on the Northern Echo thread
A bit late in the day, but the thread is still live. No doubt he will go on a rant over it but there are a few interested posters there who might be interested in a coversation.
Cheers
RichardHud955 wrote:Hi SteveI’ve just posted on the Northern Echo threadA bit late in the day, but the thread is still live. No doubt he will go on a rant over it but there are a few interested posters there who might be interested in a coversation.CheersRichardNice one, Dick. As you say the thread is still live and can be accessed here:-http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/features/letters/9803524.Dying_to_help/
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