General Election
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It might happen like in Argentina where they elected a right-wing government and now they have elected a left-wing president along with the president that was defeated in a prior election as vice president of the nation. Peoples are oscillating from one political wing into another political wing-back and forward.
It was a very strange case in Argentina where right winger prevailed in a country with a long history of the working-class struggle for a better world and hundred of socialists, social democrats, and anarchists organizations
The new trend around the world is to elect a conman, celebrities, showman, multibillionaires, declared thief, criminals, drug dealers, religious fanatics, military, xenophobic, homophobic, women haters, anti-communists, right-wingers, a corrupted politician, empty suit, ignorants, children killers, racists, rapists, divine appointment, climate polluters, the best of the best from the bottom of the toilet, or the sewage
This is not the backward world that I wanted for my children and my grandchildren, the working class is shooting itself in the foot, and it shows that all reforms can be wipe out in a few days, and that the death of many fighters have been in vain, and that the only solution is a political and economic revolution to wipe out the economic system and establish a new society,
I don’t think so, Robbo. A Labour govt has people voting Tory next time. It doesn’t wake them up to real socialism!
The ruling class has done a tremendous job in the minds of the peoples around the world, it is going to take a long time for them to wake up from all those false promises and illusory dreams. Donald Trump has said that he can kill a person on 5th Avenue and they are going to re-elect him, and he will not lose any voters, and probably, he is correct
The trouble is that in this society where the majority are not people but mere commodities, self-worth is measured by financial success and status, sexually and socially – NOT by thinking and ideas, which count for nothing unless they produce financial gain and position.
People want to leave “big decisions” to others (politicians). Daily life and culture degrade the individual and debase the quality of life for most. To expect an ancient Athenian sense of demos and responsibility is largely futile in this society, where workers are like the dog in Aesop’s fable, proud of the mark of shame his master has tied round his neck.
From internet to workplace, dystopian popular culture to jobline, this is a society the past would be repelled and disgusted by, never mind the imaginary people of an imagined socialist future!
That future is not a world that even attracts the majority today.Even the homeless and most deprived here are nationalistic Tories.
We need for socialism a mass of workers imbued with the fire of a Shelley or a Milton. But such exist, unfortunately, largely in our wishful imaginations, or are a tiny minority without the freedom they had centuries ago, and day-dreaming as they perform stocktaking in a store, watching the clock in an office, or sweeping a street. And 99.9% of those doing those things aren’t daydreaming of anything as heroic, and wouldn’t know what our “problem” is!
Its seem like it will only take the experience of an actual labour government to finally extinguish the naïve idealism of its Left wing supporters though the prospect of such a government seems remote in the near future
I don’t even think this would happen in any great numbers. There are always enough of them who cling to notions of betrayal and conspiracy and such other reactions rather than analysis.
They’ll hang around, either inside or outside, in fringe left groups and repeat the same ‘boring from within’ when opportunity re-presents itself.
Some will become moderate careerists inside the Labour Party, their ‘leftist’ utterances toned down in harmony the new reality.
“SNP’s 48 MPs could resign their seats forcing by-elections across Scotland to establish a mandate for independence.”
Or take a leaf out of Ian Smith’s book and declare UDI.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodesia%27s_Unilateral_Declaration_of_Independence
Or take a leaf out of Ian Smith’s book and declare UDI.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodesia%27s_Unilateral_Declaration_of_Independence
Or De Valera and Cathal Brugha, more worryingly!
If the media are so powerful that they were able to stop Corbyn coming to power how come they weren’t able to stop the Scots Nats winning so overwhelmingly? After all, a breakaway by Scotland would cause more harm to the British state than any passing damage that a bungling economic policy by a Corbyn government would do.
Because there exists a Scottish media, perhaps, ALB, and also the existence of a separate if not sovereign Parliament?
It may also have not been noticed down South but there has been very regular marches not just in the two main cities but in numerous provincial towns since 2014 – All Under One Banner. The result of the Independence referendum was not acquiesced to by all. Something the Remainers should note.
But let it not go unmentioned, the majority of Scots voters opted for pro-unionist parties.
But I accept your point.
In the world of advertising, campaigns and promotions can be very effective but are not all-powerful.
They sometimes fail and if they don’t succeed in selling their idea or image, the advertising team goes back to the drawing board to re-assess their approach for a new re-launch and a new re-branding…even a new name…hmmm…something just occurred to me
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Talking of the influence of the media there is quite an interesting article here on Labour blaming the media for its poor showing
An American friend writes:
“At any rate, most people don’t care about what is going on in the world.There is a guy named Jesse Watters who does man-in-the-street interviews. Even on college campuses, some of the people don’t know who the vice president is; they think the Civil War ended in 1940; and they don’t know whom we fought in the Vietnam War!”Your friend seems to be in the running for the Snob of the Year Award. I bet they don’t know who won the Cup in 1987 or who the current world snooker champion is. Or who won Strictly Cone Dancing. I don’t either. Or is it the Private Frazer Award for Pessimism that he’s after?
Whoever won the World Cup is of absolutely no significance whatsoever, unless one is entering Mastermind on the subject of soccer.
But a sense of chronology and history, I would have thought, is more or less essential for a basis in social history. Yet you expect people to listen to historical materialism! Good grief! They don’t even know who Groucho was, let alone Karl!I suspect you agree with Henry Ford, that history is bunk.
By the same token, ALB, why do we laugh at the religious?
What is wrong with believing humans hunted dinosaurs, and that the Earth is only 4000 years old and is flat?
We should be entering the Snob of the Year Awards, shouldn’t we?
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