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  • #192178
    imposs1904
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    It’s happening folks. What the working class has been waiting for:

    #192179
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    ALB wrote :

    Yes, the private and state-owned media are biased and they do manipulate popular opinion, but there is no evidence that the electoral system does not accurately reflect the views of those who vote. After all, it didn’t prevent the election of over 200 Labour MPs. And there is no evidence that it could have prevented the election of the 326+ needed to for Labour to have become the governing party. It was that on this occasion not what a sufficient number of voters wanted.

    The system that is “rigged” is not the electoral system but the economic system as all reformist governments have found and as a Corbyn one would, have too. The working of the capitalist system requires that priority be given to profit-making and that any government that doesn’t respect this will provoke an economic downturn.

    The answer is certainly not to take to the streets and try to reform capitalism by “direct action”. That won’t be able to overcome the economic laws of capitalism either and, being the action only of a minority, would provide the state with the pretext to crack down with popular support. If such direct action had majority support it could use this to win an election, not that that would allow their reformist programme to be implemented given the nature of capitalism.

    No, the lesson is that the battle that needs to be won is the battle of ideas, which is fought not on the streets but in leaflets, meetings, social media and even by contesting elections. Until a majority want to reject capitalism and replace it with socialism then it’s not going (to be able) to happen.

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    Correctly, this should be the main focus of the Socialist Party, and that is what the SP has been doing for many years, which is providing political education to the working class.

    #192184
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    What is happening?

    #192186
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Yes, what?

    #192189
    imposs1904
    Participant

    Here you go. Galloway’s launched a new political party with some unsavory political characters:

    Workers Party of Britain

    #192190
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    So he is a Stalinist?

    Why doesn’t he just join the Communist Party instead of founding a new one?

    #192192
    imposs1904
    Participant

    I wouldn’t call him a Stalinist but my own personal opinion is that Galloway was always a bit of a fellow traveller, but that mindset always existed in the Labour Party. Think of the likes of Scargill, Joan Maynard and people like that.

    #192193
    ALB
    Keymaster

    But he seems to have linked up with the Communist Party of Great Britain Marxist-Leninist which can definitely be called Stalinist.

    #192194
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    “But he seems to have linked up with the Communist Party of Great Britain Marxist-Leninist which can definitely be called Stalinist.”

    I notice that the deputy leader of the Workers Party is Joti Brar, who is also the vice chair of CPGB-ML and the daughter of Harpal Brar, both of whom are most certainly Stalinists.

    https://keywiki.org/Joti_Brar

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harpal_Brar

    #192195
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    I was following Galloway’s West Bromwich election meetings on You Tube where he announced his intention of creating this new  as yet unnamed party. He is  a good speaker, if he does tend to repeat his best expressions. But what was his vote…487 – Second bottom.

    He is a shameless left-wing British nationalist law and order candidate but I did agree with his anti-Scottish independence argument on how it weakens the UK working class.

    Whatever happened to RESPECT?

    This is doomed to be yet another failure.

    But is it a vanity project for Gorgeous George? Or will it represent and collect around it a viable congregation, albeit a very small one.

    We can expect RT to be promoting it

    #192197
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I would actually like to see the UK fragment.

    #192198
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    “I would actually like to see the UK fragment.”

    Home Rule for Clapham

    😆

    #192208
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I think Johnson knows exactly how to appeal. He is a showman, whereas Corbyn is strictly political.

    People love celebrities. Stunts and showbusiness. I think most found Corbyn boring by comparison. No physical stunts.

    #192210
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    So easily forgotten, eh?

    #192212
    robbo203
    Participant

    “This new politics, embodied by Jeremy Corbyn, has lost in its first electoral showdown. But the circumstances of its defeat should embolden us. In the words of Italian Marxist Antonio Gramsci, “An old world is dying, and the new cannot be born. Now is the time of monsters.”

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/general-election-results-2019-boris-johnson-jeremy-corbyn-protest-movement-a9245741.html?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=Feed

     

    Its seem like it will only take the experience of an actual labour government to finally extinguish the naïve idealism of its Left wing supporters though the prospect of such a government seems remote in the near future

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