Epstein Conspiracy
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August 10, 2021 at 11:32 am #220605
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Participant‘In any event, scandals involving the ruling class are of no interest to socialists. Even if they were all saints they would still be exploiters and privileged parasites.’
Agreed ALB, but isn’t always worth pointing out the hypocrisies of the ruling parasites especially when their political lickspittles drone on about the importance of ‘law and order’ and that justice applies equally to all?August 10, 2021 at 5:10 pm #220607Bijou Drains
Participant‘In any event, scandals involving the ruling class are of no interest to socialists. Even if they were all saints they would still be exploiters and privileged parasites.’
I think the events involved in the Epstein and the Maxwell situation are far more substantial than the allegations against Ted Heath, et al. Epstein was in prison and had previously been convicted of offences, whereas Maxwell is currently remanded on very serious offences. With regard to conspiracy theories, most of them relate to Epstein’s death rather that the fact that these two wealthy perverts preyed on children.
Similarly in terms of Prince Andrew, judging from the evidence of the photographs and other testimony, in legal terms there appears to be a case to answer. That is not an issue of conspiracy, other than the fact that the legal system conspires to treat the rich in a different way to the poor. WHat I was pointed out was that there seems to be a prima facia case for Prince Andrew to face thorough investigation based on the existing capitalist laws.
Does this have any implications for Socialists?
If the allegations related to themselves and their own behaviour, no.
However these allegations relate to a number of vulnerable members of the working class! These young girls appear to be have been targetted on the basis of their social class and the fact that they can be exploited due to their ecomomic Susceptibility.
The way that Epstein and Maxwell are able to carry out these vile acts has its foundations in class society. This appears to be compounded becasue it appears that the wealthy and the powerful appear to be escaping justice, whilst the long arm of the law is quickly brought to bare on trivial transgressions of the working class.
If these kinds if actions are not the business of socialists then what is our business?
Although I understand that we are not in the business of reforming the inadequacies of the capitalist system surely we must be in the business of exposing another example of the ongoing unfairness and exploitation which is hard wired into the class system.
August 11, 2021 at 5:53 am #220608alanjjohnstone
KeymasterDavid Boies, the lawyer of Virginia Giuffre, said, Ms Giuffre intends to send a message to rich and powerful men that the alleged behaviour “is not acceptable and that you cannot hide behind wealth and power and palace walls”.
August 11, 2021 at 10:00 am #220612ALB
KeymasterOf course the US legal system is notoriously defective and threatening legal action is a well-used way of trying to extort money from the rich and powerful which lawyers share in.
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August 11, 2021 at 11:17 am #220615alanjjohnstone
KeymasterAmerica, the land of litigation.
But the UK legal system has an equally notorious reputation of being overly-expensive for the poor to use.
“The law is equal before all of us; but we are not all equal before the law. Virtually there is one law for the rich and another for the poor, one law for the cunning and another for the simple, one law for the forceful and another for the feeble, one law for the ignorant and another for the learned, one law for the brave and another for the timid…” George Bernard Shaw.
August 11, 2021 at 12:21 pm #220618ALB
KeymasterYes, as the old Music Hall song put it:
It’s the same the whole world over,
It’s the poor wot gets the blame,
It’s the rich wot gets the gravy.
Ain’t it all a bleedin’ shame?Yes, it is and the poor should do something about it instead of just complaining.
I suppose that in the context of this thread the opening lines are also relevant:
She was poor but she was honest
Victim of a rich man’s game.
First he loved her, then he left her,
And she lost her maiden name…August 14, 2021 at 6:38 pm #220690Anonymous
InactivePeoples are too much involved in the scandals and conspiracy theory among the rich and famous, presidents and ministers, and the parasite class, but they do not care too much about the problems and calamity that are taking place around the poor peoples. Those are not our problems
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