Dumbing down.
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Well, I was told in no uncertain terms by someone who is very internet savvy, highly practical and an I.T. expert, that if I didn’t live such a solitary life cloistered with my books, and if I was in touch with other people and life on the street, I would know that the Earth is flat and no longer stupidly believe it to be round.
Well you seem to want to believe this stuff and ask idiots to confirm it.
The info I gave you is straight from our own website statistics.
De omnibus dubitandum.
There are far more of the twit I mentioned than there are of us.
I’m laughed at for believing dinosaurs existed, and also for believing they died out 65 million years before humans evolved.
How do you know those visiting the party’s sites aren’t just party members regularly checking back?
I still don’t know what the purpose of this thread is. It seems to be just to allow TM to self-indulgently moan about how dumb those he meets are (and by how clever he is). You try to broaden the subject but he just returns to grumbling.
Any chance of it going the same way as the “woke” thread?
Well, you are someone older than me, and yet have never heard of the Taiping Rebellion … in which twenty million died.
It might make for a more interesting and relevant discussion if you developed this hypothesis that you advanced (assuming that it is not a case of “I like annoying people in this way“):
“The traditional view of an educated, historically aware working class must then be abandoned, to be replaced with a different scenario: some kind of spontaneous explosion whereby the historically ignorant become united through necessity, not knowledge.”
I’ll actually go with that, because otherwise there’s no hope.
How do you know those visiting the party’s sites aren’t just party members regularly checking back?
From the ISP addresses. I gave you searches from China, USA, France.
They were the first half dozen or so. I didn’t go looking especially for them.You seem more ready to believe your acquaintances than to accept that the company who find us or seek us out, on the website are not looking for answers to silly speculations.
“The traditional view of an educated, historically aware working class must then be abandoned, to be replaced with a different scenario: some kind of spontaneous explosion whereby the historically ignorant become united through necessity, not knowledge.”
I think that’s what they call “communisation” these days..
“But what is the point of this thread? To show that the rest of the working class are dumb and that we are therefore never going to get socialism?”
Yes! There’s more chance of Homo Sapiens joining the estimated 99% of species that ever existed and which are now extinct.
“But what is the point of this thread? To show that the rest of the working class are dumb and that we are therefore never going to get socialism?
Yes! There’s more chance of Homo Sapiens joining the estimated 99% of species that ever existed and which are now extinct.
Zusammenhang – So scientists, doctors, engineers, pilots, nurses etc, are all ‘dumb’ (stupid)? Clearly socialist consciousness cannot just be a matter of intelligence as there are millions of workers who are more ‘intelligent’ than we are. The idea that consciousness will arrive spontaneously out of dire need sounds suspiciously like Leftist dogma to me. It seems obvious that there is more to it than IQ and education. The ‘elephant in the room’ is the conditioned need for authoritarian social structures and leaders – shared by both Left and Right. Understanding this infantile emotional need born of alienation has to be understood before we can progress.
Wez – I was replying to ALB’s rhetorical question! (the first para in italics) The working class may not be “dumb” in the broadest sense of the word but they certainly are politically with no indication that is about to change.
Glad you clarified that as it seemed to be endorsing the view that “it is easier to imagine the end of the world than to imagine the end of capitalism”. Which would be a strange view to be expressed on a socialist forum.
And of course you are right, the working class are not dumb. Who do those who subscribe to this view think runs the world from top to bottom, keeps society going? Who designed and sent a robot to Mars? Who developed an anti-covid vaccine in record time? Who builds and runs the technology that makes a socialist world of sustainable abundance possible?
Most may not be “aesthetes” but that doesn’t mean that they are dumb. It just means that they are not intellectual snobs.
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