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[irwellian]

I look forward to a possible future with one or two capitalist restorationists standing on a street corner handing out copies of Capitalist Standard to the disinterested socialist masses.

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irwellian wrote:

I look forward to a possible future with one or two capitalist restorationists standing on a street corner handing out copies of Capitalist Standard to the disinterested socialist masses.

 Capitalists under a socialist society ? It must be a miracle. Capitalists only exist on a capitalist society based on wage slavery, economical exploitation, extraction of surplus value, value of exchange, market, and private possession of the means of productions. Are we going to have those features under a socialist society ? Probably, not.  If they are socialists they are not disinterested socialist either. I have heard from workers the following  expression: I am a capitalist because I support capitalism, they are workers supporting capitalism, but they are not capitalists. If the slaves support their masters, Do they become slaves owners ? 

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mcolome1 wrote:

irwellian wrote:

I look forward to a possible future with one or two capitalist restorationists standing on a street corner handing out copies of Capitalist Standard to the disinterested socialist masses.

 Capitalists under a socialist society ? It must be a miracle. Capitalists only exist on a capitalist society based on wage slavery, economical exploitation, extraction of surplus value, value of exchange, market, and private possession of the means of productions. Are we going to have those features under a socialist society ? Probably, not.  If they are socialists they are not disinterested socialist either. I have heard from workers the following  expression: I am a capitalist because I support capitalism, they are workers supporting capitalism, but they are not capitalists. If the slaves support their masters, Do they become slaves owners ? 

 Yes ,  I too have encountered people who say they are capitalists because they support capitalism.  Its an unfortunate confusion but it has a certain logic to it.  After all we socialists say we support a social system called socialism. But capitalism too is a social sysem so you can see why supporters of this system should call themselves capitalists even though "capitalist" is class category pertaining to capitalism which the great majority of us quite clearly do not fall under. Perhaps to be consistent we should call ourselves "pro-socialists" and the supporters of capitalism, "pro-capitalists".  Or we could  just live with this confusion and muddle our way through as is usually the case anyway

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