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April 26, 2020 at 10:04 pm #200076
alanjjohnstone
Keymaster“The policies of many states reflect a social Darwinism philosophy that prioritises the economic interests of the wealthiest while doing little for those who are hard at work providing essential services or unable to support themselves,”
April 27, 2020 at 1:30 am #200117Bijou Drains
ParticipantDave B
“the leaked 150,000 lockdown deaths estimate by a civil service technical sub committee report looks like it might be real as it has not been fully denied.”
This is the article I believe you are referring to is below, however no mention of a techanical sub-committee report, but plenty of horse shit.
“Fraser Nelson, editor of The Spectator and political columnist for The Telegragh, spoke of the stark 150,000 figure today. He did not reveal his source. He said: ‘Work is being done to add it all up and produce a figure for “avoidable deaths” that could, in the long-term, be caused by lockdown.
‘I’m told the early attempts have produced a figure of 150,000, far greater than those expected to die of Covid. ‘This is, of course, a model… But estimates of lockdown victims are being shared among those in government who worry about the social damage now underway: the domestic violence, the depression, even suicides accompanying the mass bankruptcies.‘ “
So where does this figure come from?
Reluctance of people to go to hospital in the current situation?
Well regardless of lockdown or no lockdown, the CORONAVIRUS CRISIS is likely to be the main reason why people are reluctant to go to hospital, not the lockdown situation, if there was no lockdown, the situation re the virus would be the same.
Similarly, treatments for people with cancers, etc. are not being postoponed because of the lockdown. The reason for the postponments is that hospitals are dealing with Covid 19 victims and that some people are even more vulnerable because of that, that is why medical interventions are being postponed. Regardless of lockdown those vulnerabilities would still remain.
So does the author seriously expect that deaths through suicide, domestic violence or depression will add up to 150,000. That would be roughly a third of the military deaths in the UK during WW2? I have had a quick look at the suicide rate between 1939 and 1945, and 50,000 a year did not seem to pop up.
Could it be that the writers of the Torygraph and the Spectacularly Boring are making the case for an end to lockdown because working class lives matter less than profit?
Perhaps they are worried that their profit margins are being eaten into because of a standstill in the exploitation of labour. Maybe they’re worried that the fact that lots of people in what we would describe as pointless jobs (Accoutnants, Management Consultants, Commodity Brokers, etc.) are not going to work and nobody is missing them, might make them think that the cat is out of the bag.
Whatever the reasoning of the Tory Press, you can be sure it isn’t based on the interests of working people.
So if it isn’t based on working class interest, I don’t think it is the purpose of the SPGB to be propagating the ideological and economic interests of the ruling class!
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April 27, 2020 at 7:08 am #200120Anonymous
InactiveGlobal Coronavirus death rates could be 60% higher than reported.
https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c
April 27, 2020 at 10:24 am #200145ALB
Keymaster“Could it be that the writers of the Torygraph and the Spectacularly Boring are making the case for an end to lockdown because working class lives matter less than profit?“
Of course and it’s a bit surprising that a socialist should be echoing the propaganda of a business lobby whose objective is to get profit-making going again irrespective of the number of extra deaths this could and probably would mean.
For the moment the government seems to be fulfilling its duty to the capitalist class as a whole by looking after their long term overall interest (as opposed to giving into to sectional interests) ie putting longer term profit-making prospects ahead of immediate short term profits.
April 27, 2020 at 11:04 am #200160alanjjohnstone
Keymaster“…making the case for an end to lockdown because working class lives matter less than profit?“
And what should have been the attitude of socialists when notice of a lockdown is a mere four hours and there is the very minimum of State social security to substitute loss of earning and loss of livelihood, which sparked an exodus of migrant workers?
For whose benefit was the lockdown in various African, Central and South American countries?
And who is it demanding that the restrictions be relaxed.
Wasn’t it simply for the ruling class interests in the sense that they were isolating themselves from contagion and ignoring the death and suffering that would be the consequence of the lockdown and not from the virus. A matter of pulling up the drawbridge in their gated communities and sending in the police and army to keep the “unclean” in their slums and shanty-towns.
I think in many developing and undeveloped countries, the case for lockdown was that the local oligarchs lives were more important than working peoples lives – the profits and economic ramifications were secondary.
Should the socialist echo the self-interested survivalist approach of those in power?
However, it seems that lockdown is in fact being loosened, but I doubt they will be calculating the casualty rate of the collateral damage working people had inflicted upon themselves. Those deaths won’t be in the statistics.
April 27, 2020 at 1:36 pm #200185ALB
KeymasterObviously a lockdown in countries with a large informal economy is going to deprive people of their only source of income.
Your favourite pope has understood this but what he proposes is not going to happen:
Socialism is a more realistic proposition !
April 27, 2020 at 7:12 pm #200226Dave B
Participant……..It is no surprise that my work as a [NHS] doctor has also been taken over with patients who have symptoms or concerns about the virus.
But something is worrying me. I do not see as many patients as usual about non-coronavirus health issues.
Before this pandemic, my list of patients to see was full. I never had an empty appointment slot: Patients were still getting sick from non-coronavirus-related illnesses.
Where have they all gone?
Granted, some of the patients I used to see did not really need a doctor to make them better, just time for their minor ailment to run its course. But there were some who came in with worrying signs and symptoms; things that would alert me to the possibility of cancer or a heart attack and warrant an urgent referral to my colleagues at the local hospital.
We are a large inner-city UK primary care medical practice with more than 25,000 registered patients. Before the coronavirus pandemic, we would average about 30 referrals to hospital per week for patients with suspected cancer. Since the lockdown, this has dropped to just three per week.
Speaking to colleagues in hospitals, I have been receiving reports of delayed presentations in patients with heart attacks and appendicitis leading to potentially avoidable deaths. It is impossible to say for sure, but there is a feeling among my colleagues that had these patients come in earlier, their outcomes may have been better.
Is this because people are worried about attending hospital for fear of catching coronavirus or do they simply assume healthcare professionals are too busy to see them?
I wanted to find out if these were just isolated incidents or whether they were part of a wider trend.
Earlier this month, the British Heart Foundation (BHF) stated: “New data from hospitals across England show that the number of people seen in hospital with a suspected heart attack has halved since the beginning of March … from an average of 300 per day at the beginning of March, to 150 per day. Across the UK, this could lead to unnecessary deaths and more people living with debilitating heart failure if they do recover.”
Although it is still too early to draw conclusions about the wider health implications of the coronavirus pandemic, there does appear to be a worrying downward trend in the numbers of people seeking medical help for other, non-coronavirus illnesses which could be life-threatening.
This picture is playing out globally. According to a poll conducted by the US-based Twitter group Angioplasty.Org, comprising US cardiologists, there has been a significant drop in the number of heart attack patients presenting for treatment.
Meanwhile, a study in Spain has shown a 40-percent reduction in emergency heart procedures since the coronavirus outbreak.
Last week, Sara Hiom, director of early diagnosis at Cancer Research UK, expressed concern about the drop in the number of referrals coming from primary care providers in the UK for those patients with suspected cancer, amidst the coronavirus pandemic.
She added she was aware of a 70-percent reduction in suspected cancer referrals in some areas.
A study in Hong Kong has shown that patients are presenting later in the course of their heart attacks during the coronavirus pandemic than before it.
In the UK, the government has repeatedly stressed that the National Health Service (NHS) remains open for business, so why are people not coming forward?
We believe the reasons are varied. Most people do not want to add to the burden of the already stretched health services, and they may not feel their health concern is as important as the wider coronavirus pandemic.
They may then wait until their condition significantly worsens before seeking medical attention.
People may also be worried about leaving their homes when we have all been told to practise social distancing – even to get medical help. They are naturally worried about catching the virus. Hospitals and primary care locations may be perceived as high-risk settings where the virus is more prevalent.
Whatever the reason, the message from healthcare staff is clear: Do not delay seeking medical attention for potentially life-threatening illnesses.
The effects of this pandemic are going to be felt for years to come in every sector of human life.
Once it is over, we may see a surge in numbers of those needing medical intervention for things that should have been treated earlier or have been left too late.
This will only add to the human suffering being felt already and to the demand being placed on healthcare systems around the world………..
……..There is emerging evidence that people could be dying as a result of the lockdown. It may be an indirect result – in the sense that the lockdown is not a sentient being that came to their homes and killed them – but it seems real nonetheless. Accident and Emergency chiefs in London are concerned that more people are dying of non-coronavirus-related illnesses than normal because they are reluctant to leave their homes and be a burden on their local hospital. They believe there has been a ‘sharp rise in the number of seriously ill people dying at home’. They report that dozens more people than normal are dying at home from cardiac arrests, for example, presumably because they do not want to impose upon our locked-down society and what is continually presented to us as a busy, stressed-out health service.
The Royal College of GPs says it has noticed a ‘spike’ in the number of people dying at home from salvageable illnesses. Paramedics report that they are attending more house calls than normal where patients suffering from cardiac arrest are already dead – presumably because people are calling 999 far later than they normally would. Things have got so bad that the NHS has had to issue a statement encouraging gravely ill or very concerned people to continue seeking emergency care. ‘Anybody who needs urgent help – people experiencing heart failure, or expectant mums worried about their baby – should absolutely come forward and seek help from their local NHS’, it said.
This follows a report last week that around half of beds in some English hospitals are currently empty. Health officials fear, in the words of the ……….that this is because ‘people may be failing to seek help for… life-threatening conditions during the coronavirus pandemic’.
The figures are extraordinary. In Week 14 of 2019, there were close to 160,000 emergency admissions to English hospitals (which was a higher-than-average number). In Week 14 of this year there were around 60,000.
Furthermore, the Office for National Statistics reported a very large spike in weekly deaths last week, which was latched on to by the pro-lockdown media and anti-government left as proof of the failings of Boris Johnson’s government over covid.
Yet what far fewer commentators focused on was the fact that out of these extra 6,000 deathsjust over half of them were officially recorded as deaths from or with coronavirus. That leaves a question mark over more than 2,500 of the extra deaths. It is entirely possible, of course, that some or even many of these deaths were virus-related but for some reason were not recorded as such. But these unclear extra deaths also raise the distinct possibility that the lockdown is harming people’s health in a very significant way. …………
………………There seems to be a similar situation in Scotland. Last week, Scotland’s interim chief medical officer Gregor Smith expressed concern about how ‘eerily quiet’ the health system has become (aside from coronavirus cases). Scotland recorded 1,741 deaths in the week to the 5 April, which is 643 higher than the average for that week over the past five years. Yet coronavirus was on the death certificate for just 282 of those extra 643 deaths. Again, it is very likely that some of the other extra deaths were also virus-related but for some reason were not recorded as such. But it seems pretty clear that there were also non-virus related ‘extra deaths’ – that is, deaths that might otherwise not have occurred in that week. Gregor Smith says the eerie quietness of the health system is ‘immediately disconcerting’ because it suggests people are no longer presenting with illnesses. ‘[But] that illness hasn’t gone away somewhere’, he says…………..
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…………There seem to be similar developments in other countries, too. The New York Times published a piece on 6 April headlined, ‘Where have all the heart attacks gone?’. It was written by a doctor who likewise described hospitals in the US as being ‘eerily quiet’. He has heard from colleagues who are seeing fewer patients with heart attacks, strokes, acute appendicitis and acute gall-bladder disease than they would normally see. In Spain, health investigators found a 40 per cent reduction in emergency procedures for heart attacks at the end of March compared with a normal period. Doctors in Hong Kong reported a rise in the number of patients coming to hospital late in the process of cardiac arrest, when life-saving surgery becomes more difficult………
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I had a personal report yesterday from a medical nurse working in a Preston hospital that the beds were “halve empty and A&E was very quiet”.
They have emptied the beds of fairly seriously ill people to make way for the Covid rush, that never came; a lot of them probably won’t come back.
I know someone with a serious cancer at a fairly advanced stage who has her treatment postponed.
I did this before using similar material from elsewhere ; I have loads of it.
Why can’t you seem to find it?
April 27, 2020 at 7:24 pm #200228Bijou Drains
ParticipantDave B
I did this before using similar material from elsewhere ; I have loads of it.
Why can’t you seem to find it?
I’m a bit confused, who is it you mean can’t find material like this?
April 27, 2020 at 8:14 pm #200225robbo203
ParticipantHi AllHere are some of the many links I have been collecting on various aspects of the the coronavirus pandemic . Comrades might find them of some use for articles pamphlets. leaflets etc.I have not organised the links under any particular categories but they cover a multitudes of aspects. Some of the links are particularly interesting from a socialist standpointRegardsRobin__________________________________________________- http://chuangcn.org/2020/02/social-contagion/
- https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/halt-destruction-of-nature-or-suffer-even-worse-pandemics-say-world-s-top-scientists/ar-BB13g3zY?ocid=msedgntp
- https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/mysteries-about-covid-19-that-science-has-yet-to-solve/ss-BB13bWvk?ocid=msedgntp#image=25
- https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-02-04/Expert-explains-why-Hubei-has-higher-mortality-rate-of-coronavirus-NNKmnf0Boc/index.html?utm_source=bluef&utm_medium=CgtnWebsiteCampaign&utm_campaign=Coronavirus&dicbo=v1-ba42493f3ba9f828a2acd40b6c482d80-00f192aff9b9584c961b1d5e1d5b306374-hfsdsmlfhfrgmljygzsweljuga3daljygm4toljygq3gimbyhbsdiodcgu
- https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/up-to-6-million-uk-residents-may-have-already-had-coronavirus-nhs-adviser-says/ar-BB13dWbC?ocid=msedgntp
- https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/reasons-for-hope-the-drugs-tests-and-tactics-that-may-conquer-coronavirus/ar-BB139Xlz?ocid=msedgntp
- https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c<
- https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/26/5g-coronavirus-and-contagious-superstition?CMP=share_btn_fb&fbclid=IwAR0oI7JejtYr0Us2ML2gp6P4gMtCUWWVNOoDNowHSFr_2mWxgJG7Np3O_7M
- https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/this-government-is-lucky-coronavirus-quiets-global-protest-movements/ar-BB134JPZ?ocid=msedgntp
- https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/what-the-great-pandemic-novels-teach-us/ar-BB13801J?ocid=msedgntp
- https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/opinions-suing-china-over-the-coronavirus-won-t-help-here-s-what-can-work/ar-BB137Jy6?ocid=msedgntp
- https://medium.com/the-atlantic/the-real-reason-to-wear-a-mask-e6405abbc484
- https://medium.com/@drhassaballa/what-ive-learned-treating-patients-suffering-from-covid-19-41adc282e973
- https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/they-are-starving-us-millions-in-india-facing-hunger-during-lockdown/ar-BB13ctbU?ocid=msedgntp
- https://medium.com/@ASlavitt/the-coronavirus-crisis-will-force-us-to-reconsider-universal-health-care-d5e26380e744
- https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/25/far-right-hijack-coronavirus-crisis-to-push-agenda-and-boost-support?CMP=share_btn_fb&fbclid=IwAR0s300XS3kPWIijh2On2lQWc7HSCLtbmz_ZQszShoQfHLW9JAsdbxBzrg0
- https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/antibody-surveys-suggesting-vast-undercount-coronavirus-infections-may-be-unreliable
- https://www.zerohedge.com/health/data-stop-panic-end-total-isolation
- https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/23/coronavirus-antibody-studies-california-stanford
- https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2020/04/19/fatal-flaws-in-stanford-study-of-coronavirus-prevalence/
- https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/04/coronavirus-new-stanford-research-reveals-if-youve-been-exposed/
- https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/indepth/poland-and-hungary-use-coronavirus-to-punish-opposition/ar-BB134OsT?ocid=msedgntp
- https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/is-comparing-covid-19-death-rates-across-europe-helpful/ar-BB1396Xz?ocid=msedgntp
- https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/revealed-how-coronavirus-attacks-your-veins-heart-brain-and-blood-as-well-as-lungs/ar-BB137Qmg?ocid=msedgdhp<
- https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-detected-on-particles-of-air-pollution/ar-BB139bVG?ocid=msedgdhp
- https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/instead-of-coronavirus-the-hunger-will-kill-us-a-global-food-crisis-looms/ar-BB134dLz?ocid=msedgntp
- https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/the-meat-we-eat-is-a-pandemic-risk-too/ar-BB1331PQ?ocid=msedgntp
- https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/the-stark-differences-in-countries-coronavirus-death-rates-explained/ar-BB132tVC?ocid=msedgntp
- https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/mutations-provide-a-road-map-to-taming-coronavirus/ar-BB133SPW?ocid=msedgntp
- https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/coronavirus-health-chief-warns-second-wave-of-covid-19-could-be-even-worse/ar-BB133onL?ocid=msedgntp
- https://time.com/5824836/greece-coronavirus/
- https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/china-coronavirus-cases-might-have-been-four-times-official-figure-says-study/ar-BB134dXT?ocid=msedgntp
- https://areomagazine.com/2020/04/22/the-post-pandemic-paradigm-and-why-china-has-won/
- https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-in-sweden-what-the-data-shows-about-the-hands-off-and-deeply-divisive-approach-to-the-covid-19-outbreak/ar-BB136nko?ocid=msedgntp
- https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-pandemic-is-becoming-a-human-rights-crisis-un-warns/ar-BB136mc5?ocid=msedgntp
- https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/africa-sees-a-43-jump-in-coronavirus-cases-in-a-week-as-who-warn-the-continent-could-become-the-next-epicentre-of-the-pandemic/ar-BB136hvP?ocid=msedgntp
- https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/columnists/no-matter-how-you-crunch-the-numbers-this-pandemic-is-only-just-getting-started/ar-BB12Igrj?ocid=msedgntp&fbclid=IwAR2AbisgI6nslz37SqWzRBfeuywtsDX4bJLGBo5JgUZ2Dc7S9jokE-TgcDY
- https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/04/21/coronavirus-and-rightwing-rebellion-retreading-a-tired-narrative/
- https://www.rt.com/usa/486227-alex-jones-coronavirus-austin-protest/?fbclid=IwAR0UGHbUfLHEb017Kf678CnXeHz1aMB9Wv1lehpJIrBJ0RiQIwRB3Zv1luE
- https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/why-africa-s-coronavirus-outbreak-appears-slower-than-anticipated/ar-BB12u3GD?
- https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/when-will-we-have-a-coronavirus-vaccine/ar-BB12vfLp?ocid=msedgdhp
- https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/04/09/plan-save-capital-and-let-people-die?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2HkjY2oLJCUrey11uyZFpGINxQzNp8iycnEcbnDBJCeUt-wY-kCBkiha4
- https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/04/10/capitalism-the-state-religion/
- https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/us-military-chief-weight-of-evidence-that-covid-19-did-not-originate-in-a-lab/ar-BB12D9xs?ocid=msedgntp
- https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/spotlight/humanity-s-exploitation-of-wildlife-is-putting-us-all-at-risk/ar-BB12QAOV?ocid=msedgntp
- https://democracycollaborative.org/learn/publication/coronavirus-rent-strikes-home-occupation-and-fight-housing?mc_cid=2acf88bbb4&mc_eid=4d206a8851
- https://areomagazine.com/2020/04/17/a-libertarian-response-to-the-coronavirus/
- https://areomagazine.com/2020/04/21/coronavirus-and-social-interaction/
- https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/how-fossil-fuels-propel-covid-19-and-the-next-pandemic/ar-BB12LpA8?ocid=msedgntp
- https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/no-evidence-that-people-who-have-survived-coronavirus-have-immunity-says-world-health-organisation/ar-BB12O5iZ?ocid=msedgntp
- https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/coronavirus-socialism-politics-sick-pay-income-childcare_uk_5e70e64fc5b60fb69ddeafc6?ncid=fcbklnkukhpmg00000001&fbclid=IwAR1OQTbkLD0oGobx_k4AgJugdV7ADAVoPmvtLEH5uVwHkL5LJ7xegoxr8CY
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- https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-52204724
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April 27, 2020 at 10:38 pm #200260alanjjohnstone
Keymaster“Your favourite pope has understood this but what he proposes is not going to happen”
Yet again one of God’s main representatives on Earth does not make an appeal for divine intervention but calls for temporal solutions. Isn’t that a welcome change in thought?
We now don’t have a dispute over basics but disagreement only on application.
“…This calls for an integral human development that is based on the central role and initiative of the people in all their diversity, as well as on universal access” [to work, housing, land and food]…Our civilisation – so competitive, so individualistic, with its frenetic rhythms of production and consumption, its extravagant luxuries, its disproportionate profits for just a few – needs to downshift, take stock and renew itself…”
I’m always reminded of James Connolly, despite a reported death-bed conversion, when he pointed out that the Catholic Church out of expediency would forget its reactionary practices
“…the Catholic Church always accepts the established order, even if it has warred upon those who had striven to establish such order…the Church ‘does not put all her eggs in one basket’ and the man who imagines that in the supreme hour of the proletarian struggle for victory the Church will definitely line up with the forces of capitalism, and pledge her very existence as a Church upon the hazardous chance of the capitalists winning, simply does not understand the first thing about the policy of the Church…When that day comes the Papal Encyclical against socialism will be conveniently forgotten by the Papal historians…”
As we also saw in Latin America liberation theology become popular for a period, as Marcos has mentioned in the past
Like it or not, we may possibly have church allies in the movement for socialism, not for the moral reasons as I think Robbo once suggested but for the more profane purpose of self-interest survival as Connolly said.
Again i have mentioned it previously, we shouldn’t underestimate the albeit declining influence of religion. Anybody in Edinburgh in 2005 during the Make Poverty History campaign will have seen how it mobilised many thousands of their congregation and opened up their churches in an impressive display of protest.
Contrast with the very vocal right-wing evangelicals in America whose voice has silenced much of the mainstream churches, but again there is the exception of those churches who are offering protection and sanctuary to the undocumented.
I think it is a sign of progress and social evolution that a plague has not resulted in a return to religion, that churches and synagogues and mosques have been closed down (yes there has been some hold-outs by some orthodox jewish communities, some TV preachers in the US, but even Mecca and the haji went into lockdown. Mohammed and Allah were obliged to submit to science and practice social distancing)
April 28, 2020 at 4:04 am #200291alanjjohnstone
Keymasterhttps://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/24/gop-memo-anti-china-coronavirus-207244
The National Republican Senatorial Committee have written 57-page talking points to aggressively attacking China.
It stresses three main lines of assault: That China caused the virus “by covering it up,” that Democrats are “soft on China,” and that Republicans will “push for sanctions on China for its role in spreading this pandemic. Coronavirus was a Chinese hit-and-run followed by a cover-up that cost thousands of lives,”
“Don’t defend Trump, other than the China Travel Ban — attack China,”
April 28, 2020 at 4:49 am #200292Anonymous
InactiveAnother weapon of mass destruction like in Iraq. The USA has been blaming its internal problem in other countries since its foundation as a nation
April 28, 2020 at 8:34 am #200294ALB
KeymasterA bit comprehensive Robin but thanks. I looked up a few to see what Naomi Klein, Paul Mason and Militant had to say.
Klein thinks that this is another case of “disaster capitalism” and that Halliburton and the others will be given contracts to reconstruct the economy. Mason’s article had the promising title of “The coronavirus crisis shows we need an entirely new economic system” but he didn’t link it with his previous interesting views on “post capitalism” and only envisaged more state control. As for Militant, they “demanded” full wages not just 80 percent for those “furloughed” but not that the TUC call a general strike to enforce this.
April 28, 2020 at 9:08 am #200295Anonymous
Inactive“I had a personal report yesterday from a medical nurse working in a Preston hospital that the beds were “halve (sic) empty and A&E was very quiet”.”
New figures show that emergency admissions to A&E departments at hospitals in England fell sharply last month, down 23% from 555,457 in March 2019 to 427,921 in March 2020.
The number of A&E attendances who were admitted, transferred or discharged within four hours in March 2020 was the lowest reported for any calendar month since current records began.
Steve McManus, chief executive of Royal Berkshire Hospital in Reading, said his hospital has witnessed a considerable drop in people heading to A&E. He puts it down to a couple of things. Firstly, that people are making conscious decisions not to come to hospital and are going to walk-in centres or calling NHS 111 instead. The other is that people are not taking part in the type of activities that can lead to trips to A&E.
The 10 most ridiculous reasons people have been to A&E
1. Broken false finger nail that wouldn’t come off
2. Splinter in finger
3. Needing emergency contraception
4. Shaving cut, that wasn’t visible
5. Paper cut
6. Months of back pain, but not seen a GP
7. Sore throat
8. Hiccups
9. Unable to sleep
10. Run out of medicationApril 28, 2020 at 10:50 am #200326Anonymous
Inactive<p dir=”ltr”>I wish people would stop over-analyzing the situation.
Everyone is spouting verbiage and pointing fingers. The conspiracists, the leftists, the rightists. Even socialists.
A fairly dangerous virus has emerged.
It has hit a human world society that is still throttled by capitalism.
This society is struggling with it within the limitations of its current reality.
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