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The first known case of Covid 19 in Scotland was on 1st March, that’s not five weeks not five months.
Check this. I know I’ll be shot down in flames. But these coincidences are just weird.
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“The first known case of Covid 19 in Scotland was on 1st March, that’s five weeks not five months.”
While the first death occurred on 13th March, a tad over four weeks ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Scotland
Ozy, I asked before…why would 99% of capitalists in nearly every country in the world go along with such a hoax?
Why are they bringing capital accumulation to a standstill and sacrificing their profits?
It’s unprecedented, even in war-time.
To create authoritarian government? Then why is the pandemic happening in already existing autocratic states.
To provide a market for a particular sector of the capitalist class? And it isn’t challenged by any of the competition?
They have to have a motive?
What is it? Any idea?
Mate I have no clue. But some of this crazy shit is staring us in the face. Another weird thing is how Covid 19 seems to be disproportionately affecting black people.
I know it’s probably a lot of conspiracy shite but so much of it is uncanny. But after all this I’ll probably end up catching the fuckin thing haha.
Yes I think it’s a lot of overblown sinister shite. We are into month five of this thing and precisely 566 people have died of the virus so far in the whole of Scotland.
The first case of Scotland was reported on 2nd March, so Scotland is only 1 month and 10 days into this. With the symptoms taking up to 14 days to develop, it’s less than this.
On top of that the ONS calculates that there is an under reporting of “at least 8%” of deaths, that brings the death toll up to about 612. There were 1,755 people in intensive care last night in Scotland with either diagnosed or suspected coronavirus. The survival rate from intensive care for coronavirus is not great.
The current rate of death is doubling every 7-8 days, although it is starting to flatten slightly, it is still rising. it would be fair to expect somewhere in the region of 3,500 deaths by the end of June, even with all of the social distancing measures and lock down. Without that it could run into the 10s of thousands.
To put that four month figure into context into a Scotland wide context, in the four month figure for Scotland Dec 2018-19, there were 340 deaths from chronic lower respiratory diseases (e.g COPD, Smoking related non cancerous diseases, pulmonary fibrosis, etc.), 170 deaths from pneumonia, 130 deaths from other respiratory diseases, and 100 deaths from flu. That is 740 deaths in four months for ALL RESPIRATORY DISEASES, compared to the possible deaths of 10s of thousands, if measures were not put in place, and you think that is an over reaction?
As to the idea that it is some kind of huge conspiracy to put in social controls on the the population, this theory is dangerous because it credits those in control of our society with too much ability and strategic control.
Do you really think that there is the talent and ability in our government to pull something like that off. You just have to watch Hancock’s half hour every night to see what a bunch of fuckwits are in control. They can’t even manage to organise to have enough plastic gloves, never mind a world wide consipiracy to take dictatorial control by inventing a mass media panic and then using it to their own ends.
Presumably, according to the conspiracy theorists, you would expect that the chief scientific officer for Scotland would be knee deep in this dark and corrupt conspiracy. Yes the Chief medical officer who breaks her own rules, goes up to her 2nd home in Fife and then posts a fucking picture of her self there on bloody twitter. Not the brightest member of the Illuminati, eh?
The political class (so to speak) in this country, and I am sure in all countries, are generally made up of vain, venal mediocrities, similarly the majority of journalists and media personalities. One way or another I have met quite a few of them through work and for the most part they don’t know whether it’s Pancake Tuesday or Sheffield Wednesday.
As for the Senior Civil Service, I have had to go down to Westminster a few times and work with some of them when they were carrying out a national enquiry surrounding Children’s Residential Care, and they could not look at a stick without picking up the wrong end of it, another bunch of clowns.
If you think that mob of privately educated goons, who entered work half way up the ladder because of Daddy’s connections, could conspire to pull something like this off, when they struggle to organise tea, coffee and biscuits, your sadly mistaken.
I am confident that if you took the case to other national governments, you would find exactly the same thing. Presumably good ol’ Donald would have to be part of this conspiracy. He couldn’t hold his own water never mind a secret like that.
So if it’s not them, who else could it be, the wise and wily capitalists, maybe it’s Tim Martin, who thinks that the virus “doesn’t spread in pubs” or maybe it’s the FCB himself Mike Ashley who thinks that sports wear is a vital service during lock down. Again I think you’re giving these pillocks far too much credit to think they have the wherewithal to do anything like this.
If you want to see how the political, journalistic & secret service wallahs, organise a conspiracy, take a look at the Watergate conspiracy, it was a complete shambles from begining to end. That’s the kind of conspiracy our ruling and governing classes are capable of, a complete fuck up!
It’s affecting them disproportianately not because of the fact that they are black, but because they are poor. Other statistics show that minority groups have higher housing density rates a key factor in the spread of the disease.
Ask yourself this, apart from Doctors and Nurses, who are the key workers who are most likely to come into multiple contact with the virus (it is known that multiple contacts increases the morbidity rates). It’s the minimum wage workers who work in shops, distribution centres, who work as cleaners and domestics in hospitals, who empty the bins, work in care homes, home care and nuring home settings.
All of these settings have a higher than average number of minority groups working in them, add this to housing density and you have your answer. What have the hardest hit areas all have in common, London, Madrid, Lombardy, Barcelona, Wuhan? (and it’s not the prevailing wind, which Dave B put forward some days ago)
It’s population density!
When this virus gets into Lagos, Cairo, Istanbul, Rio, etc. it will really take off.
White poor peoples and poor Asian are also been infected. it is already affecting the poor natives of Brasil which have also been affected by deforestation, even more, Capitalists would like all of them to die in order to take the whole Amazon jungle
I have got two posts with links and embedded hypolinks queued
there have been some really interesting developments that are in the second.
And
USS theodore Roosevelt data is quite fascinating looks
like Sunitra Gupta is correct and something like 50% of the uk population has it.
it maps well onto the Diamond Princess data.
it is now over in Sweden which had no lockdown from data in today.
Nobody is suggessting that Bat flu hysteria case is on the same quantitative level as the Swine flu hysteria.
It was a qualitative comparison.
If you do not know that the difference is I can explain it to later?
Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health
As the pandemic status of the outbreak was declared, media attention was immense, with front page headlines, constant news updates and top story status as scientists and the media tried to understand the potential threat posed by the virus. During the summer of 2009, predictions from scientists and the then chief medical officer for England, Professor Sir Liam Donaldson, suggested that, as a ‘worst case’ scenario, 30% of the UK population could be infected by the A/H1N1 virus, with 65 000 killed. The ‘best case’ scenario was given as 5% of the population contracting the virus, resulting in 3100 deaths.<sup>5</sup> Vaccine manufacturers were urgently developing a vaccine in preparation for the worst case and the government secured large quantities to immunise the British population. The strategy was to target the vaccination programme at those at greatest risk from A/H1N1, including people with underlying chronic health problems, pregnant women and young children, with a plan to roll it out later to the remaining population.
By the spring of 2010 mortality data demonstrated that swine flu had been less lethal than feared and case death rates compared favourably with previous influenza pandemics,<sup>6</sup> accounting for less than 500 deaths in the UK.<sup>7</sup> The large disparity between predicted and actual rates became apparent and rendered a mass vaccination programme unnecessary, leaving the government with millions of doses of surplus vaccines (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8448080.stm). This lead commentators to speculate whether we were ‘now entering the recrimination phase searching for scapegoats…’<sup>8</sup> and to question the role that the WHO, pharmaceutical companies, scientists, the government and the media had played in ‘over-hyping the pandemic’.<sup>7</sup> <sup>9</sup> <sup>10</sup>
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3171979/
I do not accept death from covid is the same as death with ; PERIOD.
The rate of transmission of typical flu appears to be very different from this coronavirus.
The Theodore Roosevelt case is going to be really interesting at the moment having looked at the mumbers and dates it is probably thaat patient zeo appeared on the ship at the beginning of march , from a incoming flight , assuming the first 10 cases or so were asymptomatic.
Transfering that rate of transmission etc to the UK and an actual patient Zero in the UK about mid January etc.
It look like Sunitra Gupta is correct and we already must have millions of cases in the UK.
The best fatality rate calculation was done by Iceland after they record their second death.
The numbers were fairly easy to remember.
3000 random samples from the population tested.
1% of that sample had it
Population of Iceland is about 350,000
So 3500 cases
That gives you a case fatality rate of 0.05%
That was around the beginning of april and there are now 8.
The number of actual case will now be at the very least 6% by any bodies model.
Again that still puts the case fatality rate at below 0.05%.
Iceland has or had one of the highest per capita testing what they did was what exactly everybody else should have done as experts have said.
“It may well be that without the pressure of having to drag their bones out of bed every moring and go to work, some people are much happier having the chance to have a lie in, get some well deserved rest and enjoy a few box sets. Incidentally and in contrast”
How can you be so callous and self centred ?
We are not talking about you and me we are talking about the 2 million precariat formerly on minimum wage, now with no income, no welfare and can’t afford to pay the rent of electricity bills.
Below you will find regular, but not daily, updates on medical and political developments.
April 12, 2020
New studies
Stanford professor of medicine John Ioannidis concludes in a new study that the risk of death from Covid19 for people under 65 years of age, even in global „hotspots“, is equivalent to the risk of a fatal car accident for daily commuters driving between 9 and 400 miles.
In a serological pilot study, the German virologist Hendrick Streeck comes to the interim result that the lethality of Covid19 is at 0.37% and the mortality (based on the total population) at 0.06%. These values are about ten times lower than those of the WHO and about five times lower than those of Johns Hopkins University. Other virologists critized the study, however.
A Danish study with 1500 blood donors found that the lethality of Covid19 is only 1.6 per thousand, i.e. more than 20 times lower than originally assumed by the WHO and thus in the range of a strong (pandemic) influenza. At the same time Denmark has decided to reopen schools and kindergartens next week.
A serological study in the US state of Colorado comes to the preliminary conclusion that the lethality of Covid19 has been overestimated by a factor of 5 to a factor of 20 and is likely to be in the range between normal and pandemic influenza.
A study conducted by the Medical University of Vienna concluded that the age and risk profile of Covid19 deaths is similar to normal mortality.
A study in the Journal of Medical Virology concludes that the internationally used coronavirus test is unreliable: In addition to the already known problem of false positive results, there is also a „potentially high“ rate of false negative results, i.e. the test does not respond even in symptomatic individuals, while in other patients it does respond once and then again not. This makes it more difficult to exclude other flu-like illnesses.
A Swiss biophysicist has for the first time evaluated and graphically displayed the rate of positive tests in the US, Germany and Switzerland. The result shows that the positive rate in these countries is increasing only slightly and not exponentially.
Dr. Daniel Jeanmonod, emeritus Swiss professor of physiology and neurosurgery, recommends in an analysis: „Think deep, do good science, and do not panic!„
US researchers conclude that local air pollution greatly increases the risk of death from Covid19. This confirms earlier studies from Italy and China.
The WHO concluded at the end of March that, contrary to earlier assumptions, Covid19 is not transmitted by aerosols („through the air“). Transmission mainly takes place through direct contact or by droplet infection (coughing, sneezing).
The German-American epidemiology professor Knut Wittkowski argues in a new interview that the Covid19 epidemic is already declining or even „already over“ in many countries. The curfews had come too late and had been counterproductive, Wittkowski argues.
European Mortality Monitoring
European mortality monitoring now shows a clear projected excess mortality in the over-65 age group in several European countries. In some countries, however, including Germany and Austria, mortality in this age group is still in the normal range (or even below).
The question remains open as to whether the partially increased mortality is due to the coronavirus alone or also due to the sometimes drastic measures taken (e.g. isolation, stress, cancelled operations, etc.), and whether mortality will still be increased in the annual view.
Switzerland
According to the latest report of the Federal Office of Public Health, the median age of test-positive deceased is now 84 years.
A study by ETH Zurich found that the infection rate in Switzerland fell to a stable value of 1 several days before the „lockdown“, presumably due to general hygiene and everyday measures. If this result is correct, it would fundamentally question the sense of a „lockdown“. (About the study)
The Swiss magazine Infosperber criticizes the information policy of authorities and media: „Instead of informing, authorities conduct a PR campaign„. Misleading figures and graphics are used to spread at least partly unjustified fear.
The Swiss consumer protection magazine Ktipp also criticises the information policy and media reporting: „Authorities provide misleading information„.
A Swiss researcher has analysed the latest Covid19 report of the Federal Office of Public Health and comes to a very critical conclusion: the report is „scientifically unbalanced, patronising and misleading“. In consideration of the facts, the measures taken by authorities are „irresponsible and spreading fear“.
In an open letter to the Swiss Minister of Health, Swiss doctors speak of a „discrepancy between the threat scenario, which has been fuelled above all by the media, and our reality. The Covid19 cases observed in the general population were few and mostly mild, but „anxiety disorders and panic attacks“ are on the increase in the population and many patients no longer dare to come to important examination appointments. „And this in connection with a virus whose dangerousness, according to our perception, exists in Switzerland only in the media and in our heads.“
Due to the very low patient workload, several clinics in Switzerland and Germany have now had to announce short-time work. The decrease in patients is up to 80%.
The Swiss physician Dr. Paul Robert Vogt has written a highly shared article on Covid19. He criticizes a „sensationalistic press“, but also warns that this is not an „ordinary flu“. However, the physician is wrong in some points: lethality rate and median age are very much key variables, differentiation between with/by coronavirus is essential, respiratory masks and respirators are unsuitable in many cases (see below), and curfews are a questionable and possibly counterproductive measure.
Germany and Austria
In a paper, German health experts criticise the crisis policy of the Federal Government. They speak of long-term damage to the population caused by the partial shutdown. The figures published by the RKI were „only of limited significance“.
In a statement, the Federal Association of German Pathologists demands that there must be autopsies of „corona deaths“ (in order to determine the true cause of death) and thus explicitly contradicts „the recommendation of the Robert Koch Institute“, which spoke out against autopsies, allegedly because they were too dangerous.
Dr. Martin Sprenger resigned his position in the Corona Expert Council of the Austrian Ministry of Health in order to „regain his civil and scientific freedom of opinion“. Dr. Sprenger previously criticized, among other things, that the government did not sufficiently differentiate the risk of the virus for different population groups and took too sweeping measures: „We must be careful that the loss of healthy life years due to inadequate care for other acute and chronic diseases is not a factor of 10 times higher than the loss of healthy life years caused by COVID-19“.
In a German nursing home, an 84-year-old man tested positive for Covid19, after which the entire home was quarantined and mass tests were conducted. The initial test result later turned out to be false, however.
Scandinavia
The Norwegian Medical Association writes in an open letter to the Minister of Health that they are concerned that the measures taken could be more dangerous than the virus, as normal patients are no longer being examined and treated.
A Swedish author explains in the British Spectator: „It is not Sweden that is conducting a mass experiment. It is all other countries that are doing it.“
Professor Ansgar Lohse, Director at the Hamburg University Hospital, explains in an interview: „In my opinion, the Swedish measures are the most rational in the world. Of course, the question arises whether this can be kept up psychologically. Initially, the Swedes have to reckon with significantly more deaths, but in the medium to long term these will then be significantly reduced. The bill will be paid in a year – if the Swedes can hold out. Unfortunately, the fear of the virus often forces politicians to take actions that are not necessarily reasonable. Politics is driven also by the images in the media.“
According to Swedish chief epidemiologist Anders Tegnell, Stockholm may now have reached a „plateau“ with regard to Covid infections. (More news about Sweden)
US and Asia
In the US, the authorities now also recommend that all test-positive deaths and even suspect cases without a positive test result be registered as „Covid deaths“. An American physician and state senator from Minnesota declared that this was tantamount to manipulation. Furthermore, there would be financial incentives for hospitals to declare patients as Covid19 patients. (Some humour on this topic).
A Covid19 field hospital near Seattle in Washington State was closed after only three days without admitting any patients. This is reminiscent of the hospitals built at short notice near Wuhan, which were also mostly under-utilized or even remained empty and were then dismantled after a short time.
Numerous media reported on alleged „corona mass graves“ on Hart Island near New York. These reports are misleading in two respects: firstly, Hart Island has long been one of the best-known „cemeteries of the poor“ in the US, and secondly the mayor of New York declared that no mass graves are planned, but that „unclaimed“ deceased (i.e. without relatives) are to be buried on Hart Island.
One of the leading Indian epidemiologists declared, „We cannot run away to the moon“ and recommended the rapid development of a natural immunity in the population.
Northern Italy
It is true that two major vaccination campaigns against influenza and meningococcus were carried out in Lombardy in the months immediately preceding the outbreak of Covid19, notably in the later hotspots of Bergamo and Brescia. Although it is theoretically possible that such vaccinations could interact with coronavirus infections, such a possibility has not been established at present.
It is also true that a high asbestos exposure was present in northern Italy in the past, which increases the risk of cancerous lung disease. But here again, there is no direct connection with Covid19.
Nevertheless, in general it is true that the lung health of the population in northern Italy has been affected for a long time by high levels of air pollution and other detrimental factors, making it particularly susceptible to respiratory diseases.
smog (NO2) in Northern Italy in February 2020 (ESA)
Below you will find regular, but not daily, updates on medical and political developments.
You’ve just copied and pasted all this from that “Swiss Propaganda Research” place. You should have really mentioned this.
Nobody is suggessting that Bat flu hysteria case is on the same quantitative level as the Swine flu hysteria.
Actually that is EXACTLY what you are trying to do. If that was not the case why would you have mentioned it, if not to compare, then exactly why did YOU introduce this topic.
You suggest that there is something called bat flu hysteria, and swine flu hysteria. I am not interested in the hysteria, what I compared was the reality of the two situations, and came to the conclusion that they are not comparable. If you have any real, verified evidence to suggest that there is any comparison, why do you not lucidly present it, rather than make vague references to some bizzare swiss website?
For example:
“Northern Italy
It is true that two major vaccination campaigns against influenza and meningococcus were carried out in Lombardy in the months immediately preceding the outbreak of Covid19, notably in the later hotspots of Bergamo and Brescia. Although it is theoretically possible that such vaccinations could interact with coronavirus infections, such a possibility has not been established at present.
It is also true that a high asbestos exposure was present in northern Italy in the past, which increases the risk of cancerous lung disease. But here again, there is no direct connection with Covid19.
Nevertheless, in general it is true that the lung health of the population in northern Italy has been affected for a long time by high levels of air pollution and other detrimental factors, making it particularly susceptible to respiratory diseases.”
To be crude about it, so fuck. I live in Newcastle, the shipyards and the pits were full of asbestos. People are not dying here at the level they died in Northern Italy.
You seem to have forgotten your previous big idea that it was to do with the “prevailing winds”, or some such nonesense.
“It may well be that without the pressure of having to drag their bones out of bed every moring and go to work, some people are much happier having the chance to have a lie in, get some well deserved rest and enjoy a few box sets. Incidentally and in contrast”
How can you be so callous and self centred ?
Don’t be so insulting. I have spent the best part of 40 years of my working career with people at risk of suicide and I have I am not being callous, you clown. I am not playing down the risk of suicide. I was pointing out that. as usual, you have nothing but speculation to back up your view that suicide rates will go up because of the lockdown, as equally vaild piece of speculation is that the pressure of not having to go to work and complete mundane pointless work may actually be a benefit to some people’s mental health.
Another example might be the fact that all of a suddden local authorities and central government have managed to find funding so that all rough sleepers are given accomodation, despite having sepnt the last 40 years suggesting that it is insluable. This fact might actually be a factor in reducing the suicide rate. Additionally the fact that the rough sleeper problem can be resolved so quickly is, to me, another example of how easy it is for physical resources to be used to resolve social problems in extremely quick ways. A socialist society becomes more and more demonstrably possible with all of these examples.
Another example of the crap you are coming out with is
“A Swedish author explains in the British Spectator: „It is not Sweden that is conducting a mass experiment. It is all other countries that are doing it.“
So who was this mysterious Swedish author, none other than Fredrik Erixon, an “economist” known for his previous association with the free market think tank Timbro whos stated aim is “to promote every individual’s right to self-empowerment, and the ideas that individual freedom precedes economic equality, and that political power over individuals and businesses should be minimized.”
Just the kind of people you want to rely on during an international pandemic, much better to rely on some nut job right wing Swedish free marketeer, than mainstream epidemiologists. Next time you start pissing blood, don’t bother with a GP, get yourself off to see Nigel Farage, he’ll sort you out.
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