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April 3, 2020 at 7:53 am #197861
DJP
ParticipantDid we out-do China in building a new hospital?
I’m surprised at an SPGB’r using the nationalist ‘we’. But anyhow, no – the structure was already built they just bought the equipment in. .
April 3, 2020 at 8:13 am #197862alanjjohnstone
KeymasterMea Culpa (You should hear the things I say when its Scotland Vs England)
An exhibition centre in Milan has been converted in just 10 days into Italy’s largest intensive care facility for coronavirus patients.. hospital beds attached to ventilators and oxygen now line its pavilions.
Why start from scratch when many buildings with bricks and concrete will be superfluous in socialism and could be converted to better socially useful functions.
While in the US, there military are involved in transforming a stadium into a functioning hospital.
What has once more been demonstrated is the potential we – and this time the we is world society – have to rapidly repair the damage inflicted by capitalism and re-construct its many structures to meet peoples needs. Socialists never really required this education but we should be highlighting these possibilities to our fellow-workers who are still convinced by that biblical saying “the poor will always be with us”
April 3, 2020 at 12:26 pm #197863Bijou Drains
Participant“What has once more been demonstrated is the potential we – and this time the we is world society – have to rapidly repair the damage inflicted by capitalism and re-construct its many structures to meet peoples needs”
Just think how quickly the banks and trading houses in places like the city of London, etc. could be converted into comfortable and beautiful living spaces for families.
April 3, 2020 at 8:10 pm #197884alanjjohnstone
KeymasterThe end of ‘capitalism’ by Paul Mason
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/coronavirus-signal-capitalism-200330092216678.html
‘If the great plague of the 14th century triggered a post-feudal imagination, it is possible – and desirable – that this one triggers a post-capitalist imagination.’
April 3, 2020 at 8:17 pm #197885alanjjohnstone
KeymasterCovid-19 nationalism and profiteering
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/03/mask-wars-coronavirus-outbidding-demand
April 3, 2020 at 8:24 pm #197886alanjjohnstone
KeymasterRichard Wolff says co-ops are the cure
April 3, 2020 at 8:39 pm #197887alanjjohnstone
KeymasterSo much for planning exercises
“The Event 201 pandemic exercise, conducted on October 18, 2019 co-hosted by the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, World Economic Forum, and Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, vividly demonstrated a number of these important gaps in pandemic preparedness”
http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/newsroom/center-news/2020-01-17-Event201-recommendations.html
April 3, 2020 at 8:44 pm #197888Anonymous
InactiveThis is not the end of capitalism, it might be in crisis, but it will not collapse, there are millions of workers who are still supporting capitalism, and are marching behind nationalists leaders, at present, in the particular case of the USA despite all the things done by Donald Trump against workers his popularity has increased
April 3, 2020 at 9:09 pm #197889James_Moir
ParticipantThe NHS is crumbling, whose fault is that? The Tories, Labour and lastly the current Tory gangsters. I don’t hear that TV news programmes? I remember being in the E.R.I., – my appendix was causing me bother – the point being, that the wards were open and airy, big windows, the beds were spaced out along the walls space around the beds and underneath leaving plenty of room for the cleaners to do their work; N.H.S. employees, by the way
A few years ago one of my neighbours had to go into hospital – the E.R.I. – and when I went in to visit I was really taken aback when I saw the condition of the ward; not the wide-open light and airy, frankly it looked more like a refugee camp than the ward I experienced in 1964.
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April 4, 2020 at 3:12 pm #197915Anonymous
InactiveAll workers around the world we only have two solutions: The ballot or the bullet
April 4, 2020 at 4:43 pm #197918James_Moir
ParticipantMarcos, the Ballot or the Bullet? The ballot yes, but surely not the bullet, a strange conclusion for a socialist?
April 4, 2020 at 5:05 pm #197919Anonymous
InactiveIt is not a strange conclusion, There are going to be some places around the world where the ruling class is not going to give up, and there are other places where they will if the majority of the peoples vote them out
April 4, 2020 at 8:33 pm #197921James_Moir
ParticipantDoes that mean that some Capitalists are going to take up arms against the Worker’s peaceful democratic revolution?
Them and what army? Surely not a worker’s army.
I criticised your statement because I don’t think that it was an appropriate opening gambit for a discussion on the benefits of a Socialist commonwealth.
April 4, 2020 at 8:55 pm #197922robbo203
ParticipantThe main economic impact is going to be in developing countries. If people in the developed capitalist countries think they’ve knocked for six economically speaking imagine what it must like working in the informal or black economy in some vast megalopolis somewhere. I am struggling to envisage what is going to happen in the next few years even if capitalism does not implode (which is unlikely)
April 4, 2020 at 9:15 pm #197923Anonymous
InactiveRead the opinions of other members of this forum in regard to the same topic and you read what they have said. I have been in the middle of armed revolts and I know how peoples react in front of this situation. We do not know if rulers are going to use their army against workers, and it might happen too. If half of the world decide to vote out the capitalists and others do not give up, I know that workers and peoples are going to force them to do it, even if they have to use whatever they find including guns, rocks, Molotov, machetes, mochas, or sticks, I have seen peoples disarming the members of the state armed forces, and they were forced to run away. You have not seen anything yet when peoples revolt against their rulers. I am not romantic, I know the reality of this world, and I know the real reality of others peoples around the world. There are places where they do not have a democratic voting system yet. Like a friend of mine used to tell me: When they move ( the peoples ), they move, the question is are you r4eady when they move? I have been ready for years
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