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“It would appear that most governments round the world are genuinely trying to save lives now and acting on the best possible medical and scientific advice.”
There is a notable exception, climate change denialist Bolsonaro of Brasil
While Sweden is under criticism also
Hi -A link to an article by the Lancet editor. He outlines the government’s failure in dealing with the Coronavirus
https://thepointsguy.com/news/alitalia-nationalization/ Nationalization of Alitalia, coming back to the old days again. It looks like Adam Buick article of December 2019 is very appropriate at this moment, It is not Neoliberalism that is to blame, It is capitalism
<p class=”western” align=”left”>This warning is apt because left-wing populists are calling for neo-liberalism to be replaced
by government intervention to spend money to end austerity and get capitalism expanding again – a revival of Keynes’s discredited idea that could be called ‘neo-Keynesianism.’ As Marxists know, both from the past experience of such attempts and from a knowledge of how capitalism works, this is doomed to fail and would make things worse.</p>
<p class=”western” align=”left”>It is not neo-liberalism that is the problem, but capitalism. It is not a change of policy that is required, but a change of socio-economic system.</p>
<p class=”western” align=”left”><b>ADAM BUICK</b></p>
Just to slightly change the focus to more practical matters should any comrades here have the misfortune to contract the virus…
I am certainly no expert on the subject and cannot vouch for any of the remedies offered though they dont appear to be listed among those discounted as mere quackery. Two or three stand out should you find yourself in self isolation anxious about your own condition, but not yet in a severe enough condition to warrant hospitalisation. This is likely to be the case in the UK which does not have the capacity to accommodate the expected increase in the numbers of confirmed cases
The first involves increased consumption of vitamin C . You could supplement consumption of citrus fruits with chewable tablets https://medium.com/@MaraLeverkuhn/vitamin-c-dramatically-helps-against-coronavirus-infection-romanian-biophysicist-2341dc7e7a38
The second is the use of Sudafed spray decongestant. A number of anecdotal reports on FB have suggested it could make a discernible difference
Thirdly, it is believed that the coronavirus like other viruses cannot withstand high temperatures and for which reason it tends to proliferate in the sinuses which is the coldest part of the head. The remedy involves using a simple hairdryer and water spray to direct heated water molecules into the nostrils to penetrate the sinuses. Here is the link in question
There is finally this Internal email for staff in St George’s Hospital
Virus Detection:
The simplest way to distinguish Coronavirus from a Common Cold is that the COVID-19 infection does not cause a cold nose or cough with cold, but it does create a dry and rough cough.
The virus is typically first installed in the throat causing inflammation and a feeling of dryness. This symptom can last between 3 and 4 days.
The virus typically then travels through the moisture present in the airways, goes down to the trachea and installs in the lungs, causing pneumonia that lasts about 5 or 6 days.
Pneumonia manifests with a high fever and difficulty breathing. The Common Cold is not accompanied, but there may be a choking sensation. In this case, the doctor should be called immediately.
Experts suggest doing this simple verification every morning: Breathe in deeply and hold your breath for 10 seconds. If this can be done without coughing, without difficulty, this shows that there is no fibrosis in the lungs, indicating the absence of infection. It is recommended to do this control every morning to help detect infection.Prevention:
The virus hates heat and dies if it is exposed to temperatures greater than 80°F (27°C). Therefore hot drinks such as infusions, broths or simply hot water should be consumed abundantly during the day. These hot liquids kill the virus and are easy to ingest.
Avoid drinking ice water or drinks with ice cubes.
Ensure that your mouth and throat are always wet, never DRY. You should drink a sip of water at least every 15 minutes. WHY? Even when the virus enters water or other liquids through the mouth, it will get flushed through the oesophagus directly into the stomach where gastric acids destroy the virus. If there is not enough water, the virus can pass into the trachea and from there to the lungs, where it is very dangerous.
For those who can, sunbathe. The Sun’s UV rays kill the virus and the vitamin D is good for you.
The Coronavirus has a large size (diameter of 400-500 nanometers) so face masks can stop it, no special face masks are needed in daily life.
If an infected person sneezes near us, stay 10 feet (3.3 meters) away to allow the virus fall to the ground and prevent it from falling on you.
When the virus is on hard surfaces, it survives about 12 hours, therefore when hard surfaces such as doors, appliances, railings, etc. are touched, hands should be washed thoroughly and/or disinfected with alcoholic gel
The virus can live nested in clothes and tissues between 6 and 12 hours. Common detergents can kill it. Things that cannot be washed should be exposed to the Sun and the virus will die.
The transmission of the virus usually occurs by direct infection, touching fabrics, tissues or materials on which the virus is present.
Washing your hands is essential.
The virus survives on our hands for only about 10 minutes. In that time many things can happen, rubbing the eyes, touching the nose or lips. This allows the virus to enter your throat. Therefore, for your good and the good of all, wash your hands very often and disinfect them.
You can gargle with disinfectant solutions (i.e. Listerine or Hydrogen Peroxide) that eliminate or minimize the amount of virus that can enter the throat. Doing so removes the virus before it goes down to the trachea and then to the lungs.
Disinfect things touched often: cellphone, keyboard, mouse, car steering wheel, door handles, etcJust to slightly change the focus to more practical matters should any comrades here have the misfortune to contract the virus…
I am certainly no expert on the subject and cannot vouch for any of the remedies offered though they dont appear to be listed among those discounted as mere quackery. Two or three stand out should you find yourself in self isolation anxious about your own condition, but not yet in a severe enough condition to warrant hospitalisation. This is likely to be the case in the UK which does not have the capacity to accommodate the expected increase in the numbers of confirmed cases
The first involves increased consumption of vitamin C . You could supplement consumption of citrus fruits with chewable tablets https://medium.com/@MaraLeverkuhn/vitamin-c-dramatically-helps-against-coronavirus-infection-romanian-biophysicist-2341dc7e7a38
The second is the use of Sudafed spray decongestant. A number of anecdotal reports on FB have suggested it could make a discernible difference
Thirdly, it is believed that the coronavirus like other viruses cannot withstand high temperatures and for which reason it tends to proliferate in the sinuses which is the coldest part of the head. The remedy involves using a simple hairdryer and water spray to direct heated water molecules into the nostrils to penetrate the sinuses. Here is the link in question
https://video.fgrx1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t42.3356-2/10000000_3137921649605593_1942141082901179688_n.mp4/video-1584608672.mp4?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=060d78&_nc_ohc=V_Frse0Ot1AAX8cTjhj&vabr=470626&_nc_ht=video.fgrx1-1.fna&oh=b9ead3872e6f43b0910541ddd2b7142b&oe=5E744C65&dl=1There is finally this Internal email for staff in St George’s Hospital
Virus Detection:
The simplest way to distinguish Coronavirus from a Common Cold is that the COVID-19 infection does not cause a cold nose or cough with cold, but it does create a dry and rough cough.
The virus is typically first installed in the throat causing inflammation and a feeling of dryness. This symptom can last between 3 and 4 days.
The virus typically then travels through the moisture present in the airways, goes down to the trachea and installs in the lungs, causing pneumonia that lasts about 5 or 6 days.
Pneumonia manifests with a high fever and difficulty breathing. The Common Cold is not accompanied, but there may be a choking sensation. In this case, the doctor should be called immediately.
Experts suggest doing this simple verification every morning: Breathe in deeply and hold your breath for 10 seconds. If this can be done without coughing, without difficulty, this shows that there is no fibrosis in the lungs, indicating the absence of infection. It is recommended to do this control every morning to help detect infection.
Prevention:
The virus hates heat and dies if it is exposed to temperatures greater than 80°F (27°C). Therefore hot drinks such as infusions, broths or simply hot water should be consumed abundantly during the day. These hot liquids kill the virus and are easy to ingest.
Avoid drinking ice water or drinks with ice cubes.
Ensure that your mouth and throat are always wet, never DRY. You should drink a sip of water at least every 15 minutes. WHY? Even when the virus enters water or other liquids through the mouth, it will get flushed through the oesophagus directly into the stomach where gastric acids destroy the virus. If there is not enough water, the virus can pass into the trachea and from there to the lungs, where it is very dangerous.
For those who can, sunbathe. The Sun’s UV rays kill the virus and the vitamin D is good for you.
The Coronavirus has a large size (diameter of 400-500 nanometers) so face masks can stop it, no special face masks are needed in daily life.
If an infected person sneezes near us, stay 10 feet (3.3 meters) away to allow the virus fall to the ground and prevent it from falling on you.
When the virus is on hard surfaces, it survives about 12 hours, therefore when hard surfaces such as doors, appliances, railings, etc. are touched, hands should be washed thoroughly and/or disinfected with alcoholic gel
The virus can live nested in clothes and tissues between 6 and 12 hours. Common detergents can kill it. Things that cannot be washed should be exposed to the Sun and the virus will die.
The transmission of the virus usually occurs by direct infection, touching fabrics, tissues or materials on which the virus is present.
Washing your hands is essential.
The virus survives on our hands for only about 10 minutes. In that time many things can happen, rubbing the eyes, touching the nose or lips. This allows the virus to enter your throat. Therefore, for your good and the good of all, wash your hands very often and disinfect them.
You can gargle with disinfectant solutions (i.e. Listerine or Hydrogen Peroxide) that eliminate or minimize the amount of virus that can enter the throat. Doing so removes the virus before it goes down to the trachea and then to the lungs.
Disinfect things touched often: cellphone, keyboard, mouse, car steering wheel, door handles, etcI have been monitoring the spread of the virus on this very useful site:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
In Spain where I live , we have been in lockdown for a few days but still the numbers of confirmed cases and deaths are rising relentlessly. I had to go with my wife to a local hospital a few days ago for a check (nothing to do with the virus) and saw a very sick woman only a few feet away coughing continuously. Its quite unnerving. The first few deaths from the virus in my city of Granada have been recorded. These are worrying times. Spain is on track to overtake Iran as the third mostly badly affected country in the world after China and Italy
However looking at the above site I notice that the US has been steadily rising up the league table (along with the UK). I have a hunch that the epicentre of the pandemic will shift from Europe to the US in the next few weeks ( just as it has now shifted from China to Europe)
There is some quite disturbing information in this article which seems to support this view
On the Front Lines of the Coronavirus Pandemic: A Doctor’s View
Iran’s supreme leader has today refused US humanitarian assistance to fight the new coronavirus, citing an unfounded conspiracy theory that the virus could be man-made by America. Washington has offered to help Iran while refusing to lift crushing sanctions blocking the country from selling its crude oil and accessing international financial markets.
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said:
“Possibly your (offered) medicine is a way to spread the virus more, Khamenei said. Or if you send therapists and doctors, maybe he wants to see the effect of the poison, since it is said that part of the virus is built for Iran.”
Not just Cubans but Russians are being sent to Italy
Also to note is that Italy’s high mortality is related to the general age of its population. It has the second oldest population worldwide. The median is 67, compared to China which was 46. 87 per cent of deaths in the country have been in patients over 70 years old while 88 per cent of patients who have died had at least one pre-morbidity – many had two or three.
Hilarious article in last Friday’s Telegraph.
Just to slightly change the focus to more practical matters should anyone here have the misfortune to contract the virus…
I am certainly no expert on the subject and cannot vouch for any of the remedies offered (though they dont appear to be listed among those discounted as mere quackery) Two or three stand out should you find yourself in self isolation anxious about your own condition, but not yet in a severe enough condition to warrant hospitalisation. This is likely to be the case in the UK which does not have the capacity to accommodate the expected increase in the numbers of confirmed cases
The first involves increased consumption of vitamin C . You could supplement consumption of citrus fruits with chewable tablets https://medium.com/@MaraLeverkuhn/vitamin-c-dramatically-helps-against-coronavirus-infection-romanian-biophysicist-2341dc7e7a38
The second is the use of Sudafed spray decongestant. A number of anecdotal reports on FB have suggested it could make a discernible difference
Thirdly, it is believed that the coronavirus like other viruses cannot withstand high temperatures and for which reason it tends to proliferate in the sinuses which is the coldest part of the head. The remedy involves using a simple hairdryer and water spray to direct heated water molecules into the nostrils to penetrate the sinuses. Here is the link in question
https://video.fgrx1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t42.3356-2/10000000_3137921649605593_1942141082901179688_n.mp4/video-1584608672.mp4?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=060d78&_nc_ohc=V_Frse0Ot1AAX8cTjhj&vabr=470626&_nc_ht=video.fgrx1-1.fna&oh=b9ead3872e6f43b0910541ddd2b7142b&oe=5E744C65&dl=1There is finally this Internal email for staff in St George’s Hospital
Virus Detection:
The simplest way to distinguish Coronavirus from a Common Cold is that the COVID-19 infection does not cause a cold nose or cough with cold, but it does create a dry and rough cough.
The virus is typically first installed in the throat causing inflammation and a feeling of dryness. This symptom can last between 3 and 4 days.
The virus typically then travels through the moisture present in the airways, goes down to the trachea and installs in the lungs, causing pneumonia that lasts about 5 or 6 days.
Pneumonia manifests with a high fever and difficulty breathing. The Common Cold is not accompanied, but there may be a choking sensation. In this case, the doctor should be called immediately.
Experts suggest doing this simple verification every morning: Breathe in deeply and hold your breath for 10 seconds. If this can be done without coughing, without difficulty, this shows that there is no fibrosis in the lungs, indicating the absence of infection. It is recommended to do this control every morning to help detect infection.
Prevention:
The virus hates heat and dies if it is exposed to temperatures greater than 80°F (27°C). Therefore hot drinks such as infusions, broths or simply hot water should be consumed abundantly during the day. These hot liquids kill the virus and are easy to ingest.
Avoid drinking ice water or drinks with ice cubes.
Ensure that your mouth and throat are always wet, never DRY. You should drink a sip of water at least every 15 minutes. WHY? Even when the virus enters water or other liquids through the mouth, it will get flushed through the oesophagus directly into the stomach where gastric acids destroy the virus. If there is not enough water, the virus can pass into the trachea and from there to the lungs, where it is very dangerous.
For those who can, sunbathe. The Sun’s UV rays kill the virus and the vitamin D is good for you.
The Coronavirus has a large size (diameter of 400-500 nanometers) so face masks can stop it, no special face masks are needed in daily life.
If an infected person sneezes near us, stay 10 feet (3.3 meters) away to allow the virus fall to the ground and prevent it from falling on you.
When the virus is on hard surfaces, it survives about 12 hours, therefore when hard surfaces such as doors, appliances, railings, etc. are touched, hands should be washed thoroughly and/or disinfected with alcoholic gel
The virus can live nested in clothes and tissues between 6 and 12 hours. Common detergents can kill it. Things that cannot be washed should be exposed to the Sun and the virus will die.
The transmission of the virus usually occurs by direct infection, touching fabrics, tissues or materials on which the virus is present.
Washing your hands is essential.
The virus survives on our hands for only about 10 minutes. In that time many things can happen, rubbing the eyes, touching the nose or lips. This allows the virus to enter your throat. Therefore, for your good and the good of all, wash your hands very often and disinfect them.
You can gargle with disinfectant solutions (i.e. Listerine or Hydrogen Peroxide) that eliminate or minimize the amount of virus that can enter the throat. Doing so removes the virus before it goes down to the trachea and then to the lungs.
Disinfect things touched often: cellphone, keyboard, mouse, car steering wheel, door handles, etcIt seems that the pending posts have all appeared at once and has made the thread out of synch.
But I return to my question on Spintcom
https://groups.io/g/spintcom/message/19692
What is the motive that the capitalist class – collectively, not just one vested interest section nor one national group – seek to cut off their nose to spite their face?
Why adopt globally much the same policies – all which harm the economy?
If the threat is not real that makes no sense to me.
The pandemic of an infectious disease for which there is as yet no cure or antidote is real. The “threat” is that millions throughout the world will die from it.
Governments throughout the world are trying to minimise this, essentially by limiting physical contact between people so that they don’t infect each other. This has an economic effect in that, with people not going to work, production falls. This would happen anyway even if governments did nothing but in a completely uncontrolled and chaotic way; which is why doing nothing was not an option for governments.
To get people to isolate themselves governments have three ways: persuasion, legal enforcement , and paying people to.
Persuasion is the only one that will work in the end. Most people probably don’t need persuading as they understand the need to reduce social contact and will comply voluntarily. But not all. To persuade the others it does appear (as contributors have been pointing out here) that the government could be exaggerating how severe the pandemic could be and how severe the illness will be for most people who get it, so as to frighten them into complying. No doubt they calculate that the end justifies the means and maybe it does.
As the pandemic is happening under capitalism, where people have to have money to survive and for most people this involves going to work for an employer, if they are prevented from this they still need money. So compensating people for their lack of earnings has to be part of the policy of reducing social contact — in effect paying people to stay away from work and the social contact that involves. Hence, in Britain, paying 80% of the employer’s wage bill if their workers can’t work because of government policy. Sick pay has also been increased. Businesses that are losing income because of government policy need to be compensated too.
All this is costing large amounts of money, leading to a huge increase in government borrowing to a level only found in wartime. This is in fact the nearest parallel as, like in war, the government is spending “what it takes” to achieve the aim, in this case minimising the effect of a pandemic. The government is hoping that this will only be temporary (months rather than years) and that the normal business of capital accumulation will soon resume. It might well but governments will have acquired enormous debts which will weigh on any other spending plans they might have had.
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