Corbynism and the Labour Party
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The anti-militarist tendency has rattled some cages it seems by todays interventions by UK's most senior officer who took advantage of Remembrance Sunday to sabre-rattle on the BBC and on Sky. On the BBC he attacked Corbyn's CND stance against the nuclear "deterrent" and on Sky he attacked the non-interventionist position in the Syrian Civil War. Corbyn raises the constitutional question of a serving officer publically interfering in the political process.
He refuses to kneel for a parasite. . Is he the first? He wont be the last. Have to give him credit http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/11/jeremy-corbyn-did-not-kneel-for-the-queen
"Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has written to his MPs to say he cannot support the prime minister's proposals for air strikes against IS targets in Syria.He rejected David Cameron's claim in a Commons debate that attacks would make Britain safer." BBC
I think the old and orthodox SPGB position on the anti war people, that I have had thrown in my face, was that it was a moralist position that was devoid of a class analysis and lacked an understanding of its economic causes etc. That is just a load of bollocks now in my opinion; even my stupid mother understands that the middle east wars are about the black gold. And in wars the little ordinary people get killed and loose their homes etc and that is not very nice and horrid because, I am a little ordinary person as well- a class analysis? Suspected moralist could be called out by the suggestion that the ‘chicken-hawk’ ruling classes should tool up and batter shit out of each other and leave the workers and peasants out of it. I would be up for that as a reform; as long as it was televised on real time TV. The Koch brothers versus Putin in a cage fight; who wouldn’t watch it?
Vin wrote:"War is caused by a profit seeking money obsessed economic system." I don't know about you but I agree with him and It is good that workers are responding to that. Just because we didn't say it doesn't make it any less true. Absolutely rediculous to oppose an opinion on the basis of who holds it.I agree and that's a good quote. Have you the details of where and when he said it (so it can be requoted)?
he said something similar? as below War is not inevitable, but unless we understand the commercial, military and xenophobic forces that are able to promote war, we will have great difficulty in stopping the wars of the future. http://stopwar.org.uk/index.php/news/jeremy-corbyn-mp/how-do-we-stop-endless-war-waged-across-the-world-by-us-and-its-allies
That's not as good, if only because wars are inevitable under capitalism. And will last as long as capitalism does.
Many people may realise that "War is caused by a profit seeking money obsessed economic system." and is "inevitable under capitalism".But we, as a "small isolated paranoid sect" should, among other things, be attempting to encourage workers to understand that capitalist politicians of whatever ilk are powerless to do anything about that state of affairs despite their hollow and misleading pronouncements.
Do I sense some "straw-grasping" here? Some members did it with Noam Chomsky, Zeitgeist and Russell Brand because some of their utterances hewed close to what we say. However sincere they are, if they hold an incorrect theory of the nature of society then you are just as dangerous as those who hold pro-capitalism views.Do you think Corbyn is going to abandon his comfortable salary and pension to become a socialist?
rodmanlewis wrote:Do you think Corbyn is going to abandon his comfortable salary and pension to become a socialist?Why not ? Many have done. Or is that your take on 'huma nature'?
gnome wrote:But we, as a "small isolated paranoid sect"W are not a paranoid sect but some members give off the impression. We are the world socialist movement and we seek to convert workers from labour and other parties to socialism. Alienating them and attributing a selfish human nature to them is counter productive If we dont 'get it together' we will disappear
ALB wrote:I agree and that's a good quote. Have you the details of where and when he said it (so it can be requoted)?He may not have said it. I can't find the quote but he says similar. Corbyn is a reformist just as Chomsky is. But Things are not and should not be seen as black and white.
rodmanlewis wrote:Who, for instance?I could ask the same of your post #69 but it wise not to get personal.
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