Common Planet
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Anyone heard of these guys? I’ve read their stuff and still can’t quite wrap my head around it…..
Sounds like a moneyless society based on…….money?
Flaws and comparisons?
Sadly it resorts to the usual leftist menu of reforms like the UBI and digital money and speaks approvingly of Parecon which it may be a re-vamped version of if i knew more about the history of the originators.
Not impressed by the glossy make-over of old ideas rather. In fact, it is full of red herrings and contradictions and misconceptions. Talks the talk but doesn’t walk the walk.
One for the bin, although a mercenary person like myself would copy and paste their glossy skillful presentation created by someone experienced in PR and PowerPoint
Good name though for one of our future projects ….Common Planet, we’ll just call it Common World, to avoid plagiarism. (But Robin may offer the use of World In Common.)
Can you direct me to reading refutations of the ideas as I couldn’t find much about it. Still don’t quite get the idea of replacing money with ‘credit’….what prevents accumulation of weatlh under a different guise?
Even more unimpressed when i checked some of the Twitter account and and invitations to become board members to individuals like Cornel West…
Zeitgeist-clone
And replace the wages system by “rewards”
New title, old story
The Socialist Stanard has articles on UBI but i wouldn’t bother…they’ll say its not the same…
I would ask if there is not any difference in substance between them and Parecon and Zeitgeist, why are they re-inventing the wheel, wasting resources with duplication, why not add their strength by joining and if necessary advocating improvements to those existing movement for “social change” rather than another minuscule group.
They won’t like us because we are old-fashioned and use divisive words such as class war and socialism and cite Marx rather than people like Chomsky., they are too modern and too clever to accept that others had got there before them…by a century
It is just another form of Coop similar to Richard Wolf and Parecen. Nothing
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I don’t think that Parecon and Zeitgeist can be linked together. Parecon is a currency crank blueprint for a real dystopia where people spend all their time voting and checking on what their neighbours want to consume. We’ve debated against them both in print and in public:
This from the April 2006 Socialist Standard
And this debate in 2010 against one of those who thought it up:
https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/video/post-capitalism-parecon-or-world-without-money/
Zeitgeist, on the other hand, stand for a moneyless world of abundance that is recognisably similar to what we stand for. Having said that, some of them do, illogically, see monetary reform as a transition to this and it wouldn’t surprise me if some of them embraced PareCON as well as UBI as such a transitional reform.
“And this debate in 2010 against one of those who thought it up:”
https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/video/post-capitalism-parecon-or-world-without-money/
Except that the link doesn’t work, along with several other video and audio ones, at least not on any of my devices.
In essence they are all the same, they just want to reform capitalism, like we said in one article: Old ideas that look like new ideas . They just use different brand of manicures and cosmetic. Coop,Common Palnet Parecon, and Zeitgest we can put them inside of a blender and we can get the same juice and the same taste
I redid this and it presently works.
https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/video/post-capitalism-parecon-or-world-without-money/
“I redid this and it presently works.”
https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/video/post-capitalism-parecon-or-world-without-money/
Thanks, Matt.
If anyone is in Facebook (not me!) then perhaps an opportunity to debate these guys?
Check out @Common_Planet’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/Common_Planet/status/1067131435859857408?s=09
Did anyone manage to add our views? Is anyone reading this?
I already expressed my reservations on Common Planet, Sussex. I don’t think we would be gaining any influence based on the premise that they are so wrapped up on their own vision they don’t enter existing movements that are very much closer to them than we are.
But perhaps i am being too cynical about the glossy PR image they present.
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