Chris hedges promoting revolution now
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Why is Chris Hedges fommenting revolutionary action when we (all on the left) are not ready? Why did Chris Hedges work for the New York Times? Prompted by his article on Hammond http://www.truthdig.com/report/page2/feeding_the_flame_of_revolt_20131117
and another article http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/lets_get_this_class_war_started_20131020/
and this http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/our_invisible_revolution_20131028
I find them inspiring, but now disconcerting.
Must be the Russell Brand effect, because Chris Hedges was previously criticising the Black Bloc as criminal and a cancer.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_cyzgYLaK4&t=82m29s
I have found some Chris Hedges articles very good. I re-posted extract from Invisible Revolution on the SOYMB blog. http://www.socialismoryourmoneyback.blogspot.com/2013/10/no-fence-sitting-for-hedges.html Criticism of certain Black Bloc articles certainly doesn't mean being anti-revolutionary and many in the WSM have questioned the tactics of autonomous groups acting without democratic consent under the cover of Occupy. As for working for the NYT, we all need to earn our daily crust, and journalists have little choice in the newspapers they end up writing for, George Monibiot for the Guardian…Robert Fisk for the Independent…Paul Foot for the Daily Mirror (to go back a bit)
The left will call anything a revolution, a tenant fighting against a rent increase against a landlord might be called a revolution. That conflict can be handled by the department of Landlord and Tenant of any municipalityIn the US anything can be called a revolution, socialism, communism, communist party, and communist conspiracy, the ruling class has done a tremendous job in the minds of the working classMedical services run by the state and medicare have been considered as communist measures. Those reforms were implemented by the capitalist class in Europe and CanadaIf George Bush, John F Kennedy, Delano Roosevelt, and Barack Obama, the leaders of the democratic parties, the US congress, are considered as leftist and communist, anything else must be a revolution.Not even the so called Russian revolution can be called a revolution when it was a coup d'tat given to Kerensky.France and Germany who had a large proletarian industrial class, and who had a proletarian class with higher political knowledge did not carry a revolution in 1918 and 1921, on the contrary, they fell in the trap of capialist nationalism and patriotism http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/education/depth-articles/history/how-close-was-france-socialist-revolutionHow close was France to a socialist revolution ? http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/1990s/1998/no-1131-november-1998/germany-november-1918Germany, November 1918.Lenin and the Bolshevicks who tried to establish socialism or communism on a semi-feudal country, were awaiting for a proletarian revolution in western Europe and it never took place, on the contrary, the capitalist class expanded their own revolutions to others countries, and they had to develop their own form of capitalism. In Latin America is the same case, the so called Bolivarian revolution, it is just another intent of a sector of the ruling class to liberate itself from the domination of another ruling class, this is what Lenin called national liberation, and he developed the reactionary notion of anti-imperialism, and this is the reason why he is one of the biggest theorist of capitalist nationalism
alanjjohnstone wrote:I have found some Chris Hedges articles very good. I re-posted extract from Invisible Revolution on the SOYMB blog. http://www.socialismoryourmoneyback.blogspot.com/2013/10/no-fence-sitting-for-hedges.html Criticism of certain Black Bloc articles certainly doesn't mean being anti-revolutionary and many in the WSM have questioned the tactics of autonomous groups acting without democratic consent under the cover of Occupy. As for working for the NYT, we all need to earn our daily crust, and journalists have little choice in the newspapers they end up writing for, George Monibiot for the Guardian…Robert Fisk for the Independent…Paul Foot for the Daily Mirror (to go back a bit)There are many workers working in the war and weapon industry
This is the type of revolution that we are talking about http://socialismoryourmoneyback.blogspot.com/2013/11/revolution-only-solution.html
Mcolome you totally misunderstood my post. Same on the yahoo forum. Mostly my fault I am too brief and unclear, but I don't really have a lot of time or inclination to post.btw Jon he wrote most of the columns before Russell Brand's interview and article.Thanks nonetheless.
admice wrote:Mcolome you totally misunderstood my post. Same on the yahoo forum. Mostly my fault I am too brief and unclear, but I don't really have a lot of time or inclination to post.btw Jon he wrote most of the columns before Russell Brand's interview and article.Thanks nonetheless.His criticism of the Black Bloc was criminal and a cancer was made before the tide turned. Have you watched the video?
jondwhite wrote:His criticism of the Black Bloc was criminalWhy was his criticism of the Black Bloc criminal. Don't they deserve to be criticised?
This article by Hedges explains his attitude and IMHO contains valid points. http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_cancer_of_occupy_20120206 My own personal experience with the Black Bloc was in 2005 at the Make Poverty History demonstrations in Edinburgh and ended up kennelled being with a few of them. I keep saying it and i'll say it again, the only political statement i saw from them was a fashion statement!! Old crusties such as myself, and the stale socialist politics of the Socialist Standard were to be spurned without discussion. We were without any merit. The act was of primary importance…ye olde propaganda by deed, not by the read….Hedges makes the pertinent point that they alienate support not attract it. Give me the Rebel Clown Army anyday.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clandestine_Insurgent_Rebel_Clown_ArmyHowever, SOYMB blog, posted on the Black Bloc in Brasil where it acted more as a self-defence group, protecting protesters from police attack which i believe is a difference in tactics from the Black Bloc Hedges was criticising.http://www.socialismoryourmoneyback.blogspot.com/2013/10/brasils-black-bloc.html
alanjjohnstone wrote:Old crusties such as myself,You were once a crusty? Did you have a dog on a piece of string?
Did you have a dog on a piece of string? "ended up kennelled being with a few of them. "…the Freudian slip , instead of kettled. But unlike Jack Ruby who took one of his dogs with him and left it in the car as he went to shoot LHO, i always desisted taking along my dogs on demos due to concern for their safety. Picket lines were different and it often ended up just me and my dog at the gate!!
ALB wrote:jondwhite wrote:His criticism of the Black Bloc was criminalWhy was his criticism of the Black Bloc criminal. Don't they deserve to be criticised?
Sorry I'm dropping words here. He criticised the Black Bloc as 'criminal' similar to the comment on the TUSC blog that setting an illegal budget would be against the law.
There's a CLOWN ARMY? Why didn't you say so sooner? That's the group for me! Lol (jk). They seem like Culture Jammers also. There's worse things they could be doing.
My experience of the Black Blob was at a European trade union demonstration in Amsterdam. They came on the train from Italy. The riot police were lined up waiting for them at the station. They got off and lined up opposite them. The stand-off lasted for hours with passengers walking in between them. I wish I'd had a camera. I think that in the end they got back on the train and went back to Italy.The real objection to them is not so much that they want to break the law but that they are acting undemocratically compared to what most of the other demonstrators want, i.e. a peaceful demonstration.
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