Boxing and moral judgments
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February 15, 2025 at 5:53 pm #256817
Thomas_More
ParticipantYou’re taking my Mark Twain reference seriously?
February 15, 2025 at 5:56 pm #256818imposs1904
ParticipantAccording to the blurb for his book on Jack London, Barltrop seems to have regarded himself as a re-incarnation of Jack London:
In fairness to Barltrop, it’s because I read his biography of Jack London at an early age that I didn’t have any starry-eyed notions about London.
February 15, 2025 at 6:20 pm #256819Thomas_More
Participanthttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journeyman_(film)
This is the most terrifying anti-boxing film I know of. One would have to have second thoughts about doing boxing after watching this.
February 15, 2025 at 10:29 pm #256825DJP
ParticipantA bit of an aside. One of the makers of this film was an SPGB member when they made this documentary about a boxing club in Hull.
February 16, 2025 at 8:37 am #256833Thomas_More
ParticipantBoxing features a lot in the Limehouse writings of Thomas Burke.
February 16, 2025 at 7:00 pm #256860Citizenoftheworld
ParticipantI do not think that boxing was a brutal sport all the time, it existed since pre historical times and it was a form of entertainment.
It exists in our time as a brutal and violent sport due to the intervention of the business world and the competition in order to make money and profits, and several of them have died because they have not followed certain rules established by the boxing regulators, but football is worst than boxing and it is more brutal than boxing and it has been medically proven that i produce a lot of brain damages, as a medical doctor proved that brain do not have ‘shock absorber” like some others animals
Baseball was a sport practiced by the Tainos as a community entertainment, and the US turned it into a business to produce money and profits and in order to compete many baseball players use drugs in order to excel, but it is practiced in some community as a form of family gathering and entertainment
The problem of our world is the system of profits, and several things that exist in capitalism might exist also in socialism under a different approach, and it is up to the majority of the peoples to keep them or to eliminate them, it is not up to the desires of one or several individuals to decide the future society, even more, we can not make a blueprint of the future society, we do not even know what form of organization the world working class is going to use, we do not have the keys to the paradise, we are not the Moses that is going to take the working class to the promised land
We can not kill all the venomous snakes because they can kill human beings when poison is also used for medical treatments, and surgical procedures, an antidote, opium is also used for medical treatment, and it was also used many years ago to treat pain produced by syphilis, the same case is for cannabis it can be used for medical treatment and the plant can be used for industrial production, in the past they were making medications based on cocaines, and human beings have been using herbs and plants for many years which are prohibited in our time, and pharmacology comes from herbs and plants.
The same thing is with atomic plant and atomic power, it can be safely used without the production of profits and to cut corners, they can be designed based on human safety and protection, the key word is mutual collaboration, and mutual sharing among human beings, and the decision of the majority, and value of use is the only thing that is going to prevail, we are not going to eliminate atomic medicine, in the contrary it is going to be developed to produce better treatment, better equipment and better safety, even more, it is going to be one of the paradigm of medicine, as well, regenerative medicine is going to be developed, we might develop new organs, or repair damaged organs, and stem cell research has been blocked by the religious leaders, we are going to gave religious peoples in a socialist society, it is going to become a problem of personal incumbency
Many cultures are going to learn from other cultures by the elimination of nationalism and patriotism, we can learn from the experiences of the peasants who are the best agronomist, even more, agronomy evolved from the experiences of the peasants and small farmers, and capitalism applied mechanization to the agricultural production, it is going to be used in socialist society to produce more foods and more efficiency, we are going to learn from the workers located at the most advanced countries, at the present Mexican peasants are being kicked out from the USA but they are the most experienced agricultural workers, even more GMO seeds might also be used in a socialist society under a different approach in order to produce more foods, to avoid plant diseases, it would be up to the majority of the associated world farmer to use them, because it is be going managed under a different system without the concept of profit
We can not make a blueprint of the future society, and I think that Karl Marx did not do it either
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February 16, 2025 at 7:27 pm #256864Thomas_More
ParticipantThe “protections” in boxing only make it worse.
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February 17, 2025 at 12:19 am #256877Thomas_More
ParticipantJourneyman trailer.
February 19, 2025 at 12:02 pm #256949DJP
ParticipantFor what it’s worth my original comment was meant to be more about the moralism than boxing. The boxing discussion was interesting enough though.
However, the new front page comment is now an even worse piece about ‘human nature’! The socialist party should be presenting strong and robust arguments for socialism, not providing socialism’s opponents with low-hanging fruit.
Do I need to spell out what is wrong with these kinds of pieces or can other people see it?
February 19, 2025 at 12:04 pm #256950Thomas_More
ParticipantThe new front page comment? What is this front page you are talking about?
February 19, 2025 at 12:10 pm #256953DJP
ParticipantLike I said before on the front page of the website. The heading is “Nasty, brutish and short”. You might need to scroll down if you are viewing on a phone. If it’s not displaying on your screen I’m not sure what to suggest.
The front page is this:
February 19, 2025 at 12:23 pm #256959Thomas_More
ParticipantHow can we say which window of the social superstructure will be someone’s entry into socialist awareness?
All aspects of the superstructure (the culture we inhabit) are fair game for discussion. We cannot restrict ourselves to explaining and talking about the socio-economic base. People live within the superstructure of capitalism, their daily lives being part of it. As long as we avoid falling into reformism and single issues, all subjects can be talked about.February 19, 2025 at 12:28 pm #256961Thomas_More
ParticipantSeen it. I don’t see anything wrong with it. It shows that people help each other without being paid, and that co-operation is also natural, and socialism therefore possible.
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February 19, 2025 at 12:31 pm #256963Lew
ParticipantHowever, the new front page comment is now an even worse piece about ‘human nature’! The socialist party should be presenting strong and robust arguments for socialism, not providing socialism’s opponents with low-hanging fruit.
Do I need to spell out what is wrong with these kinds of pieces or can other people see it?
I think you may have missed the word ‘supposedly’. FWIW, I think these kinds of pieces are great.
February 19, 2025 at 12:32 pm #256966Thomas_More
Participant” I think these kinds of pieces are great.”
Me too.
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