Boxing and moral judgments

April 2025 Forums General discussion Boxing and moral judgments

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  • #256817
    Thomas_More
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    You’re taking my Mark Twain reference seriously?

    #256818
    imposs1904
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    According to the blurb for his book on Jack London, Barltrop seems to have regarded himself as a re-incarnation of Jack London:

    In fairness to Barltrop, it’s because I read his biography of Jack London at an early age that I didn’t have any starry-eyed notions about London.

    #256819
    Thomas_More
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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journeyman_(film)

    This is the most terrifying anti-boxing film I know of. One would have to have second thoughts about doing boxing after watching this.

    #256825
    DJP
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    A bit of an aside. One of the makers of this film was an SPGB member when they made this documentary about a boxing club in Hull.

    #256833
    Thomas_More
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    Boxing features a lot in the Limehouse writings of Thomas Burke.

    #256860
    Citizenoftheworld
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    I do not think that boxing was  a brutal sport all the time, it existed since pre historical times and it was a form of entertainment.

    It exists in our time as a brutal and violent sport due to the intervention of the business world and the competition in order to make money and profits, and several of them have died because they have not followed certain rules established by the boxing regulators, but football is worst than boxing and it is more brutal than boxing and it has been medically proven that i produce a lot of brain damages, as a medical doctor proved that brain do not have ‘shock absorber” like some others  animals

    Baseball was a sport practiced by the Tainos as a community entertainment,  and the US turned it into a business to produce money and profits and in order to compete many baseball players use drugs in order to excel, but it is practiced in some community as a form of family gathering and entertainment 

    The problem of our world is the system of profits, and several things that exist in capitalism might exist also  in socialism under a different approach, and it is up to the majority of the peoples to keep them or to eliminate them, it is not up to the desires of one or several individuals to decide the future society, even more, we can not make a blueprint of the future society, we do not even know what form of organization the world working class is going to use, we do not have the keys to the paradise, we are not the Moses that is going to take the working class to the promised land

    We can not kill all the venomous snakes because they can kill human beings when poison is also used for medical treatments, and surgical procedures, an antidote,   opium is also used for medical treatment, and it was also used many years ago to treat pain produced by syphilis,  the same case is for cannabis it can be used for medical treatment and the plant can be used for industrial production, in the past  they were making medications based on cocaines, and human beings have been using herbs and plants for many years which are prohibited in our time, and pharmacology comes from herbs and plants.

    The same thing is with atomic plant and atomic power, it can be safely used  without the production of profits and to cut corners, they can be designed based on human safety and protection, the key word is mutual collaboration, and mutual sharing among human beings, and the decision of the majority,  and value of use is the only thing that is going to prevail, we are not going to eliminate atomic medicine, in the contrary it is going to be developed to produce better treatment, better equipment and better safety, even more, it is going to be one of the paradigm of medicine, as well,  regenerative medicine is going to be developed, we might develop new organs, or repair damaged organs,  and stem   cell research  has been blocked by the religious leaders, we are going to gave religious peoples in a socialist society, it is going to become a problem of personal incumbency

    Many cultures are going to learn from other cultures by the elimination of nationalism and patriotism, we can learn from the experiences of the peasants who are the best agronomist, even more, agronomy evolved from the experiences of the peasants and small farmers, and capitalism applied mechanization to the agricultural production, it is going to be used in socialist society to produce more foods and more efficiency, we are going to learn from the workers located at the most advanced countries, at the present Mexican peasants are being kicked out from the USA but they are the most experienced agricultural workers, even more GMO seeds might also be used in a socialist society under a different approach in order to produce more foods, to avoid plant diseases, it would be up to the majority of the associated world farmer to use them, because it is be going managed under a different system without the concept of profit

    We can not make a blueprint of the future society, and I think that Karl Marx did not do it either

    #256864
    Thomas_More
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    The “protections” in boxing only make it worse.

    #256877
    Thomas_More
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    Journeyman trailer.

    #256949
    DJP
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    For what it’s worth my original comment was meant to be more about the moralism than boxing. The boxing discussion was interesting enough though.

    However, the new front page comment is now an even worse piece about ‘human nature’! The socialist party should be presenting strong and robust arguments for socialism, not providing socialism’s opponents with low-hanging fruit.

    Do I need to spell out what is wrong with these kinds of pieces or can other people see it?

    #256950
    Thomas_More
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    The new front page comment? What is this front page you are talking about?

    #256953
    DJP
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    Like I said before on the front page of the website. The heading is “Nasty, brutish and short”. You might need to scroll down if you are viewing on a phone. If it’s not displaying on your screen I’m not sure what to suggest.

    The front page is this:

    http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb

    #256959
    Thomas_More
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    How can we say which window of the social superstructure will be someone’s entry into socialist awareness?
    All aspects of the superstructure (the culture we inhabit) are fair game for discussion. We cannot restrict ourselves to explaining and talking about the socio-economic base. People live within the superstructure of capitalism, their daily lives being part of it. As long as we avoid falling into reformism and single issues, all subjects can be talked about.

    #256961
    Thomas_More
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    Seen it. I don’t see anything wrong with it. It shows that people help each other without being paid, and that co-operation is also natural, and socialism therefore possible.

    • This reply was modified 1 month, 3 weeks ago by Thomas_More.
    #256963
    Lew
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    However, the new front page comment is now an even worse piece about ‘human nature’! The socialist party should be presenting strong and robust arguments for socialism, not providing socialism’s opponents with low-hanging fruit.

    Do I need to spell out what is wrong with these kinds of pieces or can other people see it?

    I think you may have missed the word ‘supposedly’. FWIW, I think these kinds of pieces are great.

    #256966
    Thomas_More
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    ” I think these kinds of pieces are great.”

    Me too.

    • This reply was modified 1 month, 3 weeks ago by Thomas_More.
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