Big capitalists anticipating nuclear apocalypse
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January 16, 2024 at 10:41 pm #249876Thomas_MoreParticipantJanuary 18, 2024 at 10:48 pm #249968Thomas_MoreParticipant
https://www.eurasiantimes.com/ncb-us-test-fires-unnecessary-costly-100b/amp/
Certainly pouring the money in for weapons they don’t intend, as you say, to ever use!
January 19, 2024 at 8:49 am #249969Thomas_MoreParticipantSweden and the draft, preparing for war.
January 19, 2024 at 9:43 am #249970ALBKeymasterYou are missing the point as to why states arm themselves with the most up to date weapons of destruction that they can afford. It’s because relations between capitalist states are based on the principle that might is right. The mightier a state is the more clout it has in diplomatic negotiations, the outcome of which depends on how each side perceives the balance of forces.
This in fact could even be said to be the main “use” of these weapons. Even if there was never to be any wars capitalism would still have to waste resources on weapons of destruction.
But of course there are wars but only as a last resort when diplomatic negotiations and bargaining fail and a state considers its vital interests to be under threat, as Russia did over NATO trying to incorporate Ukraine and move weapons up to its border or as the US feels from time to time that its access to raw materials or to trade routes is threatened.
In other words, the examples you give are not preparations for war but preparations to build up a state’s might so it’s not trampled on in negotiations to protect or further the economic interests of its capitalist class.
January 19, 2024 at 10:18 am #249972chelmsfordParticipantI wonder if capitalism’s ideologists adhere to some theory that it is no bad thing for the working class to have the Brad Pitts put up it every now and again, as some obscure means of social control or something. If so, I would like to hear the theory plainly stated.
January 19, 2024 at 10:50 am #249973Thomas_MoreParticipantWell, now NATO is right up on Russia’s border.
January 19, 2024 at 12:16 pm #249974ALBKeymasterActually, not yet. Russia resorted to war because the US and Britain were so intransigent that Ukraine should be able to join NATO. Anyway, it looks like Russia is going to get a big chunk of Ukraine and control of the Sea of Azov out of it.
January 19, 2024 at 12:31 pm #249975Thomas_MoreParticipantThey could still admit western Ukraine to NATO if partition follows and it becomes a separate country.
January 19, 2024 at 6:46 pm #249977Thomas_MoreParticipantWarning of total war.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/01/11/swedish-childline-calls-gen-z-after-war-warning0/
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January 20, 2024 at 10:46 am #249999ALBKeymasterSounds like the military-industrial complex creating an atmosphere to get governments to allocate more to military spending. Guns before butter again, that comes naturally under capitalism. Disturbing all the same.
Grant Shapps, the minister of war, was doing the same thing a week or so ago:
January 20, 2024 at 11:08 am #250001Thomas_MoreParticipantI’ve never known this type of global sabre rattling before. It’s every day and worldwide. Now they are telling the population as a whole to get ready.
They might start compelling us to do drills, etc., like the Koreans have to do.
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January 20, 2024 at 3:00 pm #250028Thomas_MoreParticipanthttps://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/09/world/europe/russia-ukraine-nato-stoltenberg.html
Full blown war with NATO (Stoltenberg).
January 20, 2024 at 3:33 pm #250030AnonymousInactiveSounds like the military-industrial complex creating an atmosphere to get governments to allocate more to military spending. Guns before butter again, that comes naturally under capitalism. Disturbing all the same.
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The Japanese capitalists have violated their own constitution drafted after WW 2 along with a warmonger known as McArthur, and at the present time they have more and better guns and armaments, more modern industrial developement than during the time of the conflict with the USA and China. They might started again to look for world expansion and hegemony
January 20, 2024 at 4:37 pm #250032Thomas_MoreParticipantI don’t think so. Japan won’t do anything without US say-so.
What worries me is that the US could be prepared to let the UK and Europe be the proxy battleground for war with Russia.
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January 22, 2024 at 9:29 am #250045Thomas_MoreParticipanthttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-68047454
Preparing for war.
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