BBC Leaders Debate Election 2017
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I watched this debate last night and looking at the polls and the refusal of May to take part in public debate I have to say it is looking almost certain that Corbyn will soon be Prime Minister.
Does anyone believe that this could result in workers getting a bigger slice of the cake or even a few more crumbs or will there be a complete turn around as past experience dictates
It would be like the Wilson Labour government elected in 1964. They abolished prescription charges but within a couple of years were forced by economic circumstances to bring them back again. So any improvements that there might be would be temporary, very temporary.Having said that, I don't think Labour will win. What might happen is that the Tories don't win, i.e there's a hung parliament. It seems it going to depend on how many young people, overwhelmingly anti-Tory, turn out to vote. A sort of repeat of the first 1974 general election which Heath called on the subject of "who governs?" and got the answer "not you".But of course in the end it doesn't really matter as governments don't and can't control the way capitalism works. In the end they have to go along with its priority of profits first as this is what keeps the capitalist economy going round.
The other leaders in the debate implied support for a Labour coalition, so I can't see anyone but Corbyn in with a chance. I think he will become favourite with the bookies soon but at 7-1, I would get a bet on today
I'm not the only person who has seen the possibility of the Progress MPs in Labour going into National Goivernment with the Tories to keep Corbyn out: the way they might swing that is one of them (Flint or Benn) gets PM, they claim a majority of the PLP, Corbyn remains an honoarary Labour Party leader, and they try and dare the left to split, whilst locking the unions and the party into supporting a Blairite like government. Might not end well, but it would see off Corbyn if they lasted five years.
Another possibility: if there's an anti-Tory coalition it could be under some other Labour character than him.
One thing for certain is that workers will get what they voted for, but that's not necessarily the same thing as what they think they voted for.They say you learn by your mistakes, but apparently not by the mistakes of your parents and grandparents.
Labour only 1 point behind in this poll http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/poll-conservative-labour-lead-one-point-general-election-a7771526.html
The only winner is capitalism and the loser is the working class
Marcos wrote:The only winner is capitalism and the loser is the working classI agree. There seems to be too much discussion on who is the least bad of the parties. We should be promoting socialist ideas rather than concerning ourselves about who will be the next boss to run British capitalism. Save that for the bookies and their punters.Capitalism is the first class system to be kept in existence by the people it exploits!
Rodman, https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/06/labour-corbyn-general-election-nationalizationOur task is to expose the fallacy of the above article as being progressive and an advance for the working class. It can only be effectively countered by putting these proposals into their historical context of failed policies of the past and/or unworkable solutions for the future. Every time, i see Mondragon mentioned the hackles of my hair rises.
The Tories are going to win, especially now that "security" has become an issue. They always were but this is going to seal it. Even so, it seems that Labour is going to do better than the media pundits predicted (and wanted). This in itself is an interesting phenomenon worth discussing. After all, the people who will be attracted by Labour under Corbyn and its leftwing programme are the sort of people who will be open to what we have to say, i.e discontented with capitalism as it is and wanting to do something about it.I think one of the reasons Labour is doing better than expected is that its current programme (a bit like the one Harold Wilson won the 1964 election on, less radical if anything) is attracting back not just the Trotskyists and other Old Labourites who deserted it when it openly embraced capitalism but also Greens (whose party stole their old clothes) and even UKIP voters (May is harbouring a big delusion if she thinks that the traditional working class voters are going to flock to her as a snooty vicar's daughter who still goes to church).
I wasn't urging Labour up the polls. See my posts elswhere (Facebook). A vote for labour is anti-working class and we should not tolerate our members' support for this capitalist party.Calm down, it's only a comercial ALB I agree with. The terror attacks will favour a 'strong and stable' option
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