Attack on Abortion Law
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December 30, 2020 at 3:31 pm #211671AnonymousInactive
Another right government will reserve it and the law had minority approval it is not legalization of abortion it is the decriminalization of abortion The Catholic Church and the strong right wing movement will continue pushing to reverse the decision
December 30, 2020 at 5:36 pm #211702PartisanZParticipantNevertheless all credit to the strong womens groups who will not let the issues rest.
I salute my sisters in Argentina- Poland and elsewhere who are giving a big ‘fuck you’ signal to the establishment.
December 31, 2020 at 12:51 am #211748alanjjohnstoneKeymasterWith many individual reforms, there is a knock-on effect on other aspects of daily life. Hopefully, the success increases the confidence of those other struggles.
December 31, 2020 at 9:04 pm #211829AnonymousInactiveMatthew Culbert
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Nevertheless all credit to the strong womens groups who will not let the issues rest.I salute my sisters in Argentina- Poland and elsewhere who are giving a big ‘fuck you’ signal to the establishment.
And it was a peaceful demonstration without the need of using guns and killing policemen or women suiciding themselves. That is what I was telling another group that anarchists think that violence is the only solution to obtain capitalist reforms
January 1, 2021 at 3:13 am #211834AnonymousInactiveThe argument of pro-life is scientifically weak, it is based on religious belief. A fetus is not a human being it is like an extension or an organ of the mother, that is the reason why the body does not reject it as it does when an organ transplant is done, the immunological system of the mother accept it as part of her body even though the zygote is made by the genes of the mother and the gene of the father
January 1, 2021 at 4:29 am #211836alanjjohnstoneKeymasterThis month’s Socialist Standard carries an article on the women’s struggle in Poland for their re-productive rights
January 1, 2021 at 9:42 am #211837AnonymousInactive“A fetus is not a human being it is like an extension or an organ of the mother, that is the reason why the body does not reject it as it does when an organ transplant is done, the immunological system of the mother accept it as part of her body even though the zygote is made by the genes of the mother and the gene of the father”
You’ve managed to contradict yourself in a single post. Re-read what you’ve written.
A fetus is the embryo of a mammal in the later stages of development, when it shows all the main recognizable features of the mature animal, especially a human embryo from the end of the second month of pregnancy until birth.
January 1, 2021 at 10:25 am #211838AnonymousInactiveI am not contradicting myself, I know what I have said, and I do not have to read it again. I have taken classes in Medical Embryology, and Histology and there is not any moment when it is mention that a fetus is a human being, that is a legal term, it is not a biological term. It was also the argumentation presented by Dr. Alberto Kornblihtt at the Argentinian Congress .http://www.laizquierdadiario.com/Alberto-Kornblihtt-Un-embrion-no-es-lo-mismo-que-un-ser-humano. You can translate it on a digital translator. Dr Murray and Sadler who are two of the best textbook writers in Embryology do not consider a fetus as a human being, and their textbooks are used in many Medical schools
January 1, 2021 at 10:57 am #211840ALBKeymasterTo tell the truth, I have always had my doubts about this thread as abortion is in an ethical issue on which the Party does not have a position other than that it should not be illegal.
Some members feel strongly about this such as one who has sent in this complaint:
“I should be grateful if clarification could be provided on the contents of two articles in recent editions of the “Socialist Standard”.(…) The second article was called “Population Growth: Women Choose” and was in the September edition of the “Socialist Standard”. The article stated, “All women should have full access to contraception and safe abortion as part of overall health services.” Is this support for abortion the official position of the “Socialist Party” or merely the view of the author of the article ?”
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“Your reply to the second query was, “Some reforms do benefit workers and making abortion legal (ending it being a criminal offence) and providing for any to be carried out safely is one if them.” As a worker, I cannot see the benefit to me of giving anyone the legal right to decide whether I live or die at any phase of my life which began with the coalescence of my mother’s egg and my father’s sperm. It is immaterial whether this right is categorised as abortion, euthanasia or eugenics. I should be obliged, therefore, if you were to explain how abortion benefits me as a worker.”
January 1, 2021 at 11:24 am #211841PartisanZParticipantIt is more than just an ethical issue if it criminalises the actions. It is predominantly a discriminatory anti woman mainly working class issue.
Too bad if some comrade thinks every sperm is sacred.
January 1, 2021 at 11:40 am #211842AnonymousInactiveMost peoples against abortion are men and most of them are anti-women. Abortion is a working-class issue
January 1, 2021 at 12:06 pm #211848PartisanZParticipantA lot of women take an ethical or religious stance aginst abortion also, but women need to have the optional right to choose which side personally they are on.
In any case sisters are demanding it. The establishment powers that be better listen.
As my wee mum used to say to me, “You’ll dae as yir telt.”(You’ll do as you are told.)January 1, 2021 at 12:32 pm #211858AnonymousInactive“Most peoples against abortion are men and most of them are anti-women. Abortion is a working-class issue”
Most people who favour abortion are those who have never had one. Taking precautions to prevent so-called ‘unwanted pregnancies’ is a far more logical, socially responsible and, arguably, civilised position to adopt.
January 1, 2021 at 12:41 pm #211861AnonymousInactive“Most peoples against abortion are men and most of them are anti-women. Abortion is a working-class issue”
Most people who favour abortion are those who have never had one. Taking precautions to prevent so-called ‘unwanted pregnancies’ is a far more logical, socially responsible and, arguably, civilised position to adopt.
That is the argument of the right wingers and the religious peoples and most of them are men too
January 1, 2021 at 2:36 pm #211887AnonymousInactiveMost people who favour abortion are those who have never had one. Taking precautions to prevent so-called ‘unwanted pregnancies’ is a far more logical, socially responsible and, arguably, civilised position to adopt.
“That is the argument of the right wingers and the religious peoples and most of them are men too”
So you’re opposed to contraception? What are you then, a ‘non-fucking’ Catholic?
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