Are all internet discussion doomed?
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You can remove the "evolutionary psychology" explanations and just so stories (in fact you are probably quite right to do so) but the predictably irrational patterns of behavior still remain. You are not so smart, no one is… Though none of this is a barrier to socialism. In fact it's doing some of the work for us. Behavioral economics have successfully undermined the assumptions of neo-classical economics. Socialism does not rely on the assumption that human beings are thoroughly "rational" agents.
DJP wrote:Actually this topic is about cognitive biases and beliefs, it is not another thread about Critical Realism. If you want to discuss that again start another thread…[my bold]Well, I was trying to get you to discuss your 'cognitive biases and beliefs' about your devotional 'physicalism', but, of course, you won't do that, so you just smear me with wanting to divert into CR.You still don't seem to understand that you need to reveal your ideology. I do, and openly declare it to be Marxism and CR, which I regard as mostly synonymous, for Communists, if not for other CRs with other politics.So, any thread about 'cognitive biases and beliefs' has to start from both my ideological beliefs (Marx and CR) and yours (… empty space, something to hide?).What have you got to hide about your 'cognitive biases and beliefs', DJP?Why won't you tell us what you believe about 'cognitive biases and beliefs'?Why pretend that you're interested in any subject, but won't discuss your beliefs about that subject, and prefer to follow the ideological lead of bourgeois thinkers, and pretend that it's down to some universal flaw in human nature, as you alleged at the start?Why start a thread, and refuse to engage, just because you don't like 'difficult' questions about your unexamined ideology?Why is it always someone else's fault, and not yours?'Cognitive biases and beliefs'? You haven't got a clue, DJP, and you're never like to have one, because you refuse to discuss.And that's your choice, not some failing passed on from human nature, or a biological failing in your genes, as your ideological mentors allege.
SocialistPunk wrote:Like LBird sys they are ideologically in favour of the prevailing socio economic system, as the emphasis of the "science" is that we are hard wired to behave the way we behave.It never ceases to surprise me that there are Communists who can see through 'the market' as an entirely human created system, with a historical development and social changes, rooted in classes and exploitation, and defended to the hilt with social ideology, but just can't see that all these factors also affect all human thinking, whether about wider 'science' or narrower 'cognitive biases and beliefs'.The belief that 'biases and beliefs' are rooted in nature is an ideological belief, not some version of 'objective science'.Unless we uncover the class nature of this myth, we might as well also accept the 'market as human nature' argument, too.
DJP wrote:I've told you I'm a free market libertarian.But seriously can someone ban this troll now?Fear. Pure fear.The fear of one about to be unmasked.Forget liberal ideas of freedom of critical speech, never mind socialist ones of 'funding' them!You're a bluffer, DJP.
No pure boredom. Bored to tears. How many times are you going to repeat what is essentially the same post?That is why you have been banned from everywhere else, plus your reliable tendancy to launch into ad hominem attacks…The irony of it all
It is difficult to contribute on the forum of late as every thread is dominated and took over by the same repetitive insults. I have known for a long time that LBird is a typical example of a troll:In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4]WickiIndeed he is not very subtle about it. Every single member of the forum has been subject to the same insults.
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DJP, Vin.Why not get me banned?You're a pair of bluffers, who can't argue their case, and every time I ask either of you to explain anything you believe, to the same depth and with the same amount of detail about thinkers and their texts as I do, you both revert to crying like babies about about 'trolls'.And as to 'personal attacks', I only ever give it back to those who attack me. I'm always comradely to those who are comradely towards me. If you can't take it, don't dish it out, losers.This thread has taken the usual course. DJP talks nonsense, is called out about it, quite decently and asked to explain, and then throws his dummy out of the pram, because he can't answer my questions, in the same way that I can answer his. I admit my ideological biases. And then, who should come out from the shadows? Vin, who is the least intellectual person with whom I've ever had an intellectual argument. You really haven't got a clue, Vin. And that's saying something, given the competition on this site.Ad hominem?Yer a pair of cry-babies.Warning: 6. Do not make repeated postings of the same or similar messages to the same thread, or to multiple threads or forums (‘cross-posting’). Do not make multiple postings within a thread that could be consolidated into a single post (‘serial posting’). Do not post an excessive number of threads, posts, or private messages within a limited period of time (‘flooding’).
Lbird you are a sad pathetic cretin with delusions of grandeur but you have nothing to contribute but repetative insults and you don't even have a large repertoire of those. Your posts are repetative nonsense. I do not claim to be an intellectual, I am a class conscious member of the working class who can see through you pure bullshit and see it for what it is.Go and spout your crap where it will be accepted: oh but wait you are banned from most forums. I wonder why?It could be that your the most boring person on the internet.
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I've started a less doomed discussion going over at libcom:http://libcom.org/forums/theory/are-all-internet-discussions-doomed-23112014
DJPSo what is it you want or wanted from this thread? Is your discussion on Libcom really less doomed than here?You seem to have given up pretty quickly, after a set to with LBird that needn't have happened in the first place. It takes two to tango, as they say.So come on, get back into the saddle. If there is something to this, it could go some way to help explain why we have such difficulty getting our brand of socialism across to people and could possibly help to enhance propaganda tactics.
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