Anti-Zionism is not anti-semitic
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November 3, 2023 at 6:57 am #248130AnonymousInactive
Will the Israeli-Hamas conflict spark a wider regional war, pulling in the U.S.?
Much will depend on whether Iran’s well-armed Lebanese proxy, Hezbollah, launches a full-scale assault on Israel from the north.November 3, 2023 at 8:52 am #248131Young Master SmeetModeratorWe do need some perspective, what is happening is Gaza now is what happened in Aleppo, Mosul, Fallujah (each city, admittedly, less densely populated than Gaza city, but still with horrific civilian death tolls. 23,000 civilians died in the battle of Aleppo.
For several reasons, Palestine draws more attention than these horrors, but is in principle no different, a part and parcel of the ongoing capitalist world war. The interest of various ruling groups calls on us to pay attention to what is happening in Gaza, but equally horrifying wars are being fought in Tigray, Yemen, Ukraine (and other places, I’m sure, if I put the time into finding them all).
But the horrors of the siege of Gaza pale compared to the war that is waged through poverty, 9 million die every year from hunger (and that isn’t an overnight death, it’s a long slow process of being exposed to hunger). That’s about 25,000 every day.
November 3, 2023 at 6:06 pm #248143robbo203ParticipantDoes anyone know anything about this – what appears to be proposed legislation in France criminalizing anti-zionist (that is, opposition to Israeli nationalism) sentiments under the deceitful pretence that is somehow anti-semitic (that is, a form of racism)?
If it is what it appears to be that is quite alarming. It could set a precedent…
French Senate proposes law making anti-Zionism a criminal offence with up to 5 years jail
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November 3, 2023 at 7:59 pm #248146TwigletParticipantAgainst the worrying tide of content that has flooded this thread in recent times, which is indistinguishable from the output of the Trot and other natlib-endorsing ‘left’ (some of it, sadly, emanating from Party members) Those who retain and do not deviate from a class focus are to be applauded. YMS’s post on ‘perspective’ is a clear and concise example of this distinct latter attitude . The only Enemy is the class Enemy.
As Almamater rightfully stated, too:
The socialist party must denounce the horrors of wars on both sides of any conflict, but the socialist party should not take sides with any capitalist group, Hamas does not represent the Palestinian workers and poor peoples as well the Israeli government does not represent the workers and the poor of Israel.
November 3, 2023 at 9:53 pm #248147TwigletParticipantIntersectional Nightmare on Liverpool Street
The ‘Joint struggle bloc’…struggling for the right to smoke more…November 4, 2023 at 12:21 am #248150twcParticipantHere is the Juice Media’s take on Israel & Gaza…
- Impotence of capitalist rights to life, liberty and property to solve international contradictions:
- Impotence of international capitalist law to prevent war, and its concomitant civilian targeting, civilian hostages, and national occupation.
As Marx (Capital Vol. 1) pointed out in the class struggle over the limits of the working day
- There is here, therefore, an antinomy, right against right, both equally bearing the seal of the law of exchanges. Between equal rights force decides.
Unfortunately the Juice Media, who are superb exposers of capitalist “shit-fuckery”, consider that nationalist propaganda disseminated by nationalist government and media “has been the cause of every major war this century”.
But nationalist propaganda is not a “bug” but a “feature” of capitalism. The root cause is the capitalist mode of production itself. Socialism is, as for all pressing social problems under capitalism, the only viable solution.
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November 4, 2023 at 11:12 am #248155Lizzie45BlockedIsrael’s Final Solution for the Palestinians
https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/israels-final-solution-for-the-palestinians
November 5, 2023 at 10:38 am #248169Lizzie45BlockedThe rabbi of the Israeli army’s Nahal Brigade training base, Amichai Friedman, told soldiers that the Israeli public understands that “This is our country. All of it. Including Gaza, including Lebanon, the entire Promised Land.”
The rabbi explains the essence of Zionism very clearly and without equivocation: Gaza and Lebanon are lands to be ethnically cleansed so that the ‘chosen’ people can claim them as their own. Zionism is Fascism.
November 5, 2023 at 11:48 am #248170ALBKeymasterAfter Mad Mullahs now Rabid Rabbis.
“According to Genesis 15:18 and Joshua 1:4, the land God gave to Israel included everything from the Nile River in Egypt to Lebanon (south to north) and everything from the Mediterranean Sea to the Euphrates River (west to east). On today’s map, the land God has stated belongs to Israel includes everything modern-day Israel possesses, plus all of the territory occupied by the Palestinians (the West Bank and Gaza), plus some of Egypt and Syria, plus all of Jordan, plus some of Saudi Arabia and Iraq.”
I don’t think the Jewish tribal god has enough battalions to enforce that. But it puts “from the river to the sea” in the shade.
Will the government now ban as racist, insulting and provocative, those who proclaim “from the sea to the river . . . Euphrates” ?
November 6, 2023 at 11:47 am #248177robbo203ParticipantSome background context
Massive Oil and Gas Reserves Discovered Under Gaza – Israel Grants Development Licenses
Perhaps that helps to explain Israel´s apparent attempt to ethnically cleanse Gaza which some Israeli politicians are calling for – at least according to this guy
https://kurtnimmo.substack.com/p/gaza-ceasefire?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
November 6, 2023 at 3:23 pm #248183AnonymousInactiveBoth sides have known about the existence of gas in that region for many years and both side have tried to keep it, it is not new. Some soil researchers have discovered oil and gas in Haiti
November 6, 2023 at 7:21 pm #248194ALBKeymasterJust to let you know that Party members and sympathisers plan to distribute the famous leaflet at the demonstration planned for Saturday 11 November. It’s from Hyde Park to the new US embassy the other side of the river in Vauxhall.
Leaflets can be collected from 10.30 onwards from our premises at 52 Clapham High street, SW4 7UN (2 tube stops from Vauxhall).
Further details later under “World Socialist Movement”.
https://palestinecampaign.org/events/national-march-for-palestine-ceasefire-now-november-11/
November 6, 2023 at 7:28 pm #248195KAZParticipantJust to let you know that Party members and sympathisers plan to distribute the famous leaflet at the demonstration planned for Saturday 11 November. It’s from Hyde Park to the new US embassy the other side of the river in Vauxhall.
Leaflets can be collected from 10.30 onwards from our premises at 52 Clapham High street, SW4 7UN (2 tube stops from Vauxhall).
Further details later under “World Socialist Movement”.
https://palestinecampaign.org/events/national-march-for-palestine-ceasefire-now-november-11/
vauxhall? ain’t that where the spies is? is this some sort of redoubt in the making? the new hitler’s bunker. anyway, good luck with the leafleting.
November 6, 2023 at 9:19 pm #248199james19ParticipantFollowing on from above..this from my X Twitter feed.
Something in this?
Knowing the Zionists' greed for power and money, no one can think that this massacre is solely for revenge or vengeance. Therefore, I can only conclude that this war has the intention of Israel to take over the territory with access to the gas fields off the coasts of GAZA and to…
— Antonio Domene (@irkutsk56) November 6, 2023
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November 6, 2023 at 9:50 pm #248202ALBKeymasterThat passage from Antonio Domene about “Knowing the Zionists’ greed for power and money” seems rather anti-semitic. Why single out the Jewish nationalists (Zionists) for this when it applies to all capitalist states? It sounds as if he means “knowing the Jews’ greed for power and money”. Which is definitely anti-semitic.
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