Anti-Zionism is not anti-semitic
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May 7, 2018 at 8:40 pm #132489alanjjohnstoneKeymaster
Officials at the Auschwitz-Birkenau memorial and museum have described how they were subjected to a wave of “hate, fake news and manipulations” as a result of the controversy surrounding a contentious Holocaust speech law passed by Poland’s ruling Law and Justice party earlier this year. This, in turn, provoked an angry backlash from nationalist and pro-government media in Poland, many of whom accused the museum – which administers the site, conducts historical research, and trains and licenses official guides – of deliberately downplaying the fate of the approximately 74,000 non-Jewish Polish prisoners who perished in the camp, by focusing exclusively on its Jewish victims.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/07/polands-holocaust-law-triggers-tide-abuse-auschwitz-museum
May 8, 2018 at 12:30 am #132490AnonymousInactiveWhen are they going to make a museum for the Hollocaust of the Africans and the American Natives ?
May 8, 2018 at 12:47 am #132491alanjjohnstoneKeymasterAcross the world, there are many museums devoted to indigenous peoples. The Holocaust should also be commemorated.But that is not the point. We should not engage in creating a league table the most oppressed.Many Roma were exterminated in Auschwitz and this tends to be forgottenhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PorajmosA bit background on the nationalist denial of anti-semitism complicity in the Holocausthttps://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/03/poland-antisemitism-holocaust
May 8, 2018 at 1:08 am #132492AnonymousInactivealanjjohnstone wrote:Across the world, there are many museums devoted to indigenous peoples. The Holocaust should also be commemorated.But that is not the point. We should not engage in creating a league table the most oppressed.Many Roma were exterminated in Auschwitz and this tends to be forgottenhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PorajmosA bit background on the nationalist denial of anti-semitism complicity in the Holocausthttps://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/03/poland-antisemitism-holocausttt should be, but no as an exculisve event, Russia also lost more than 27 millions peoples during WW2. Some of those museum were created due to pressure made by the Natives American otherwise they would not have created any of them, and there are only a few.The Afro-american and the Haitian filed a claim for reparation and they were denied, and the respond to Haiti was the invasion of France and the USA, and they are still there killing peoples, robbing lands, treasures, and raping women, and they are going to be deported from the USA after they provoked a large immigrationThe Haitians continue paying to France for the colonization. The Natives continue being discriminated, persecuted, living in poverty, and the piece of land given to them in the USA is being reduced and they are being taken over by the big mining corporation. How many peoples have denied the holocaust and the contributions made by the Natives and the blacks ? There are millions, and nobody has been taken to jail. Hollwood is making millions distorting their history
May 8, 2018 at 1:19 am #132493alanjjohnstoneKeymasterEven in German history, the Holocaust was not the only example of genocidal policies.Our blog African Socialist Banner in a number of posts has highlighted the attempted extermination of the Herero people when Germany was a colonialist power in South West Africa.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_genocide
May 10, 2018 at 12:27 am #132494alanjjohnstoneKeymasterMore than 4 million antisemitic messages were shared on Twitter in the span of a single year between 29 January 2017 and 28 January 2018 according to the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). The average was more than 80,000 such tweets per week. The highest number of such tweets was recorded in the same week Mr Trump recognised Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.The ADL researchers labelled tweets as antisemitic if they contained common Jewish stereotypes; praise for anti-Semitic personalities; or derogatory words, codes, or symbols for Jewish people.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/twitter-antisemitism-tweets-hate-speech-jewish-study-harvey-weinstein-donald-trump-a8343996.html
May 10, 2018 at 1:58 am #132495alanjjohnstoneKeymasterA provocative read on Israel's promotion of Islamophobiahttps://dissidentvoice.org/2018/05/the-israeli-government-role-in-promoting-islamophobia-internationally/
Quote:“Islamophobia is not a form of racism. We have long drawn attention to the danger of conflating Islamophobia and anti-Semitism. To do so would impede all criticism of Islam, such that the fundamental rights of [other] religions could not be respected. The CRIF will, therefore, block all resolutions against Islamophobia”.May 10, 2018 at 2:47 am #132496alanjjohnstoneKeymasterCame across this by Proudhon on Jewshttps://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/economics/proudhon/1847/jews.htm
Quote:December 26, 1847: Jews. Write an article against this race that poisons everything by sticking its nose into everything without ever mixing with any other people. Demand its expulsion from France with the exception of those individuals married to French women. Abolish synagogues and not admit them to any employment. Demand its expulsion Finally, pursue the abolition of this religion. It’s not without cause that the Christians called them deicides. The Jew is the enemy of humankind. They must be sent back to Asia or be exterminated. H. Heine, A. Weill, and others are nothing but secret spies ; Rothschild, Crémieux, Marx, Fould, wicked, bilious, envious, bitter, etc. etc. beings who hate us. The Jew must disappear by steel or by fusion or by expulsion. Tolerate the elderly who no longer have children. Work to be done – What the peoples of the Middle Ages hated instinctively I hate upon reflection and irrevocably. The hatred of the Jew like the hatred of the English should be our first article of political faith. Moreover, the abolition of Judaism will come with the abolition of other religions. Begin by not allocating funds to the clergy and leaving this to religious offerings. – And then, a short while later, abolish the religion.May 10, 2018 at 7:29 pm #132497alanjjohnstoneKeymasterhttps://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/10/labour-mps-back-antisemitism-measures-rejected-by-corbynJewish leaders also argued Labour should adopt the IHRA definition – including all its clauses and examples. However, Labour is concerned about one of the examples of potential antisemitism given in the IHRA definition: “denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, eg by claiming that the existence of a state of Israel is a racist endeavour”.Concerns were raised that this example could preclude criticism of Israel’s creation, though its defenders argue it is meant to highlight that the concept of a Jewish homeland is not in itself racist.
May 10, 2018 at 9:58 pm #132498ALBKeymasterQuote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/10/labour-mps-back-antisemitism-measures-rejected-by-corbynJewish leaders also argued Labour should adopt the IHRA definition – including all its clauses and examples. However, Labour is concerned about one of the examples of potential antisemitism given in the IHRA definition: “denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, eg by claiming that the existence of a state of Israel is a racist endeavour”.As are we. This is a clause sneaked in to try to make anti-Zionism anti-semitc. Apart from that, the definition is more or less ok even if a bit tendentious.
May 10, 2018 at 10:42 pm #132499alanjjohnstoneKeymasterAs i mentioned in #45, if Begin had still been around and prime minister, repeating Einstein's description of him would have been classed as anti-semitic because "Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis." is also classed as anti-semitism.And there are still a number of Israeli politicians that still fit Einstein's portrayal of Begin "…closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties…"…their current defence minister Leiberman being one, imho.So that clause, too, can be subjected to restricting fair comment.
May 11, 2018 at 7:50 am #132500ALBKeymasterWhat the Zionists won't face up to is the fact that the main cause of modern anti-semitism is the existence and aggressive and sectarian policies pursued by their creation, Israel. Or perhaps they do realise this and hence the intensity of their campaigns and their attempts to impose a wider definition of anti-semitism. Another reason will be to recruit more Jewish settlers to go there.
May 11, 2018 at 9:31 am #132501alanjjohnstoneKeymasterWhat the Bundists said was your homeland was where you were born and live and you stay to resist anti-semitism, not flee.Even though now defunct their arguments still remain valid. Netanyahu and his ilk, however, expressed the traditional response of the Zionist when he announced in France after an atrocity against Jews that the Jewish diaspora should emigrate to Israel.https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-to-french-jews-israel-is-your-home/And, of course, the only source of cheap housing is in the illegal settlements in the Occupied territory. After all, Tel Aviv has seen protest marches and demonstrations against rents and prices.The term "settlement" suggests some sort of frontier-style but these are sizable towns and many inhabitants commute to work to Israel proper.With half a million Israelis in the West Bank, i find it difficult to perceive a solution that is either creating a Palestinian Bantustan nation which cannot be viable, or civil war amongst the Israelis if relocation becomes the route of reconciliation with the Palestinians. The admittance of Palestinian refugees back into Israel, will not be permitted as it upsets the demographics of Israel too much.The present status quo seems ideal for Israel. America pays for its defence, EU pays for Palestinian upkeep and the PA police the inhabitants. As Norman Finkelstein explains – it is an occupation without cost to Israel. South African apartheid did come at a price and that is why white South African business compromised with concessions. I simply do not see any significant social movement in Israel that is moving towards any sustainable agreement with the Palestinians …and i cannot see any Palestinian answer whether it is the One-State or Two-State being acceptable or even possible.We are fated to have the conflict to continue for many more generation. Israel effectively besieged that it has to build a big wall around itself and the Palestinians state-lessAnother sign of my gloom and doom analysis, i am afraid.The only hope on the far horizon is an increased secularisation of both populations and the Jewish diaspora distancing themselves from Zionism and Israel…and Palestinians demanding the end of being refugees in Lebanon and elsewhere and insisting on full citizenship in the countries they dwell.
May 11, 2018 at 8:04 pm #132502AnonymousInactiveThe newspapers haven’t mentioned that the government of the USA is planning to violate all the treaties signed with the natives. They are not considered as independent nations but as a race. The hollocaust of the American Indians continue after 500 years and the doctrine of discovery and domination continues being applied on them Most of the reservations have oil deposits minerals and uranium. There was a tribe which discovered oil and gold and their members were exterminated
May 13, 2018 at 10:13 pm #132503alanjjohnstoneKeymasterhttp://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-44099540I'm not defending Livingstone but i have difficulty in tracing any BBC fact check on his claims, surely a news agency if they wish to be balanced does it own history research and can judge who is more correct, Livingstone or his critics.
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