Anti-Zionism is not anti-semitic

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    I popped along (for reasons, I wasn’t in much shape for an intervention), there wasn’t a lot of leafletting going along, this was overwhelming a pro-Palestinian march: I doubt if a leaflet against nationalism would have got any traction at all (and might have caused ructions, in fact). the Millies were there, with an ingenious ‘For a Socialist Intifada’ leaflet, calling for a working class movement in the UK and in the Arab world, I didn’t see much else (Fight Imperialism/Fight Racism were there).

    #247748
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I should hope not! The Party absolutely should have been present – and should be present at future events in the weeks and months to come – opposing both Palestinian and Israeli nationalism.
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    In the present situation we must very careful, individuals from both sides are getting death threat and from both sides are getting killed outside of Gaza and Israel, and some families members are losing their jobs. Some groups are making a call for a world intifada. For us, It would be similar to the time when we opposed World War Two and the so called Patriotic war of the Soviet Union, we were attacked by both sides

    #247754
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Ok, Twiglet, there’s a London branch meeting this afternoon at 2 o’clock in Head Office if you can get there to discuss covering future demonstrations. Otherwise email to order extra copies of the November Socislist Standard for the next demonstration which states our case clearly.

    There’s sure to be a monster one the Saturday after the Israeli army enters northern Gaza and destroys everything there, hospitals, schools, mosques, churches, houses, people, the lot.

    #247759
    Anonymous
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    Christian Right Cites Violent Biblical Amalek Trope to Justify Israel’s Tactics

    Christians right are finding biblical justification for Israel killing

    #247763
    ZJW
    Participant

    Analysis by the left-communist group Mouvement Communiste of the war:

    https://mouvement-communiste.com/documents/MC/Leaflets/BLT2310ENvF.pdf

    #247764
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    CAPITALISM’S DEATH WORLD

    Capitalism death world by International Perspective. Comparison between Al Qaeda 9/11 and Hamas 9/11

    #247766
    ALB
    Keymaster

    There was some discussion yesterday about whether it was wise or useful to leaflet the demonstrations as they were pro-Palestinian rather than anti-war. One idea was a stunt to burn both Israeli and Palestinian rags on the end of a pole. There were no volunteers to do this.

    We still will probably produce a leaflet to hand out on these demonstrations.

    #247767
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Just read the statements by Mouvenent Communiste and Internationalist Perspective. They are of course right to denounce Hamas as murderous religious fanatics but would be advised not to distribute their statements at the pro-Palestine demonstrations. They are probably not intended for that anyway as nobody on those demonstrations would read past the opening paragraphs to reach the internationalist, socialist message at the end.

    #247768
    robbo203
    Participant

    Alarming or alarmist?

    “The world is mustering for war. Conflict is already raging in Europe, with Russian and Ukrainian forces locked in offensive and counteroffensive. The aftermath of the Hamas terror attack upon Israel could now see the Middle East ignited.

    Whether or not it does rests in part with Iran, the funder and political master of both Hamas and Hezbollah, which is now moments away from potentially plunging the world into a third world war.

    The Iranian foreign minister has warned Israel that if the war is not stopped “immediately”, then “anything is possible at any moment, and the region will go out of control”. US defence secretary Lloyd Austin has warned of a very real risk of “significant escalation” of attacks on American forces and civilians.

    He has good reason to be concerned. Tehran is not confining its hostility to words; its regional proxies seem determined to entangle the US further, attacking American forces with drones and missiles at the Ain Al-Asad airbase in Iraq and al-Tanf in Syria.

    Iran is not shying away. Already, a US warship has shot down three cruise missiles launched by Iranian-backed Houthi terrorists in Yemen. Heading north, these missiles were potentially targeting Israel. If successful, such an attack would have far-reaching consequences for Iran, with almost certain Israeli retaliation potentially triggering a direct war – and US involvement.”

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/the-us-stands-on-the-brink-of-global-war/ar-AA1iH7ZQ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b0d2e23978764fd68e04496e1944170f&ei=54

    #247770
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    One idea was a stunt to burn both Israeli and Palestinian rags on the end of a pole. There were no volunteers to do this.

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    It would be like burning a Bible, or a Koran on a religious demonstration. We might encounter a couple of fanatic zealot carrying an AR 15 inside the head office.

    Time has changed, this is not WW2, or the Vietnam war, there are not any anti- war demonstrations out there.

    The US rejected a ceasefire, it does show that they control Israel, it is not what the conspirators have been saying that Israel control the US.

    This is another 9/11 for the US ruling class

    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/us-rejects-calls-for-cease-fire-in-gaza-saying-it-would-benefit-hamas/3030357

    #247775
    robbo203
    Participant

    This is a pretty powerful indictment of that hospital bombing. There is little doubt about whodunit or the fact that they have attempted to conceal this

    https://fb.watch/nTkNkT1IfK/

    #247812
    ALB
    Keymaster

    I see the Jewish Nationalists (Zionists) who control the government of Israel are gunning for Antonio Guterres, the UN Secretary General, for saying that the murderous Hamas attack on Israel did not happen in a vacuum (as it obviously didn’t) and no doubt also for expressing the view, held by most ordinary people in the world, that the Israeli bombardment of Gaza should stop.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-united-nations-antonio-guterres-hamas-attack-vacuum-comments/

    They won’t find is as easy to bring him down as they did Corbyn. In fact they are likely to succeed only in showing themselves to be fanatical nationalists, entitled to no more special consideration than any other fanatical nationalists (despite the setting up of a Jewish state in Palestine not happening in a vacuum either)

    #247817
    Anonymous
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    #247831
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Headline in today’s Times: ISRAEL BRANDS THE UN A ‘STAIN ON HUMANITY’. Looks like a case of if the cap fits.

    Meanwhile Starmer is in trouble over his statement that the Israel has the right to cut off water and electricity to Gaza. Sone fellow Labourites are pointing out that this could lose the Labour Party votes and seats in constituencies with a large Muslim population. Losing votes is always the over-riding issue in a vote-catching opportunist party such as Labour. And he has been forced to timidly backtrack, even though his original statement probably did genuinely reflect his personal view and he was caught him off guard.

    #247886
    ALB
    Keymaster

    So many Labour councillors have resigned over Starmer’s following the US/UK line and justifying the continued bombing of civilians in Gaza that Labour has lost its majority on Oxford City Council.

    At least there are some people in the Labour Party who have other things on their mind than their leaders getting to be driven round in a ministerial car.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-67231473.amp

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