Anti-Zionism is not anti-semitic
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With every passing week, it seems like the sick death cult of nationalism is deepening and strengthening its hold on the minds of people everywhere. It doesn’t bode well for the future. As if the war in Ukraine, the conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia, the situation in North Africa, and the standoff over Taiwan were not enough – now we have the latest upsurge in violence in the Middle East
The headline from the Time of Israel newspaper screams:
“Iranian president backs assault on Israel, holds talks with Gaza terror leaders”
So what now? Can we expect another full-scale war to flare up in the Middle East as the Israeli state seeks violent retribution for what has happened? There is no way this tit-for-tat spiral of violence can be brought to an end except by coming to finally realise that nationalism is a mental disease that must be stopped in its tracks and uprooted once and for all if humanity is going to have any kind of future worth living. Hamas´ murderous actions are no more justified than the actions of the Israeli apartheid state and it is pointless and counterproductive to take sides in this utterly tragic and depressing state of affairs. That way only despair lies ahead
Hamas´ murderous actions are no more justified than the actions of the Israeli apartheid state and it is pointless and counterproductive to take sides in this utterly tragic and depressing state of affairs.
It’s so easy to adopt a smug attitude when not actually experiencing what it’s like having to constantly live under a repressive regime.
Communist party of Israel statement
“Nothing justifies crimes and massacres as committed today in the south of Israel. But the writing was on the wall, as I warned for a long time: We will pay a heavy price for the crimes of the occupation, the siege on Gaza and the arrogance of the racist) Kahanist government. There is no military solution, only a political one – the end of the occupation and Palestinian independence.”
So, some people under the repressive regime get it: there is no military solution, only a political one.
“It’s so easy to adopt a smug attitude when not actually experiencing what it’s like having to constantly live under a repressive regime.”
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It’s so easy to adopt a smug attitude in condemning those who argue that tit-for-tat violence is no way to combat a repressive regime. On the contrary, the chances are, in this instance, that it is going to provoke even more repression, more violence, more deaths, and even possibly a full-scale war with Iran. Is that what you want? Seriously? If not then instead of just pontificating, how about you tell us how you imagine this horrible situation can be resolved because I cannot see more violence being the answer at all.
I appreciate that I do not live under what you call a repressive regime (and might feel differently if I did) but actually sometimes that gives you a little more space to see things just a little more objectively…
Hamas was the Taliban of Israel that was created in order to defeat the PLO
https://en.internationalism.org/wr/291_hamas.html
The election of Hamas is no victory for the oppressed
The USA used the reactionaries Ayatollah of Iran in order to eliminate the democratic government of Iran and to establish a repressive and backward and theocrat institutions, they use them and then they become their enemies
ALB
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What is a “Kahanist”? Never heard of them before.===========================================================================
Another religious zionist group similar to the Right wing Christians nationalists who advocate for a theocratic state using theocratic laws, and peoples from other places must be expelled, the same as the reactionary right wing theocratic leaders of Iran and Aghanistan1) ‘From Gaza to Tel-Aviv and to the whole World… No War But Class War!’: https://www.autistici.org/tridnivalka/from-gaza-to-tel-aviv-and-to-the-whole-world-no-war-but-class-war
2) Alan would no doubt recommend looking at, or post articles from, one or both of these two Israel-unfriendly news resources:
http://www.middleeasteye.net
and
http://www.middleeastmonitor.comand then there’s Mondoweiss too:
https://mondoweiss.netof which in particular see:
“Hostages?” How the U.S. media is distorting the news from Palestine
3) Electoral systems and ‘democracy’: Hamas 2006; Sinn Féin 1918:
I notice that a recent entry on the SOYMB blog includes this quote ‘Hamas was […] democratically elected […].
In fact, Hamas’ win in 2006 was, and is, touted as an ‘overwhelming’ victory.
Hamas took 74 seats out of 162 seats, yes; but that’s because of the electoral system. What about the vote percentage? Hamas only took 44.45.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election
It’s a bit like the myth of Sinn Féin’s ‘landslide victory’ on the island of Ireland in the 1918 UK general election.
SF had said they were going to form an Irish parliament if they took a majority of the seats.
Well they certainly did, but look at the vote percentage:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_Irish_general_election
SF just 47% of votes, not a majority of votes (and under party-list PR, no majority of seats).
And a lot of seats were just left uncontested because it was obvious SF would take them. (Meaning fewer non-SF votes than there might have been.)
The democratic glory of first-past-the-post!
That Autistici article is very good, and would be hard to beat: although I would finesse it a bit that while socialist revolution is the optimal solution (and method) immediate peace between capitalist armies on whatever terms is also inherently in the interests of the working class, since war in this form (involving destruction of life and wealth, necessitating military command/control measures, etc.) inherently hinders the establishment of class solidarity. We want revolution, but we’ll take a truce between capitalist states where we can. The surest way to secure peace is working class solidarity.
I wouldn’t say it’s “very good”. It’s on the right lines but I expect they are in favour of an international civil war to try to establish socialism. Which would of course see the same massacres and destruction as we are seeing now in Palestine.
An international civil war, can you imagine it. The break-up of Yugoslavia on a world scale.
”The Zionist state is solely responsible for the ongoing escalation due to its continuous violations of the rights of the Palestinian people, including the recent repeated incursions into the al-Aqsa Mosque under the protection of the Israeli police.”
What has happened? Lizzie has ceased to be a sniping cynic and expressed a political view of her own. Sounds as if you have just got back from demonstrating outside the Israeli embassy.
I don’t think the some perceived violation of a Muslim holy building can justify the massacre of young men and women at a music festival. If it does, that doesn’t say much for Islam. But I wouldn’t have thought that most Muslims would agree it does.
Most of those so called revolutionary groups they support the revolutionary war which is the killing of all workers among each other to establish state capitalism. The concept of peoples is wrong and anacronic, this is not a conflict between the so called peoples, it is a conflict between capitalists in detriments of the working class of both sides, in every nation there are two classes only, and both are in opposition
What has happened? Lizzie has ceased to be a sniping cynic and expressed a political view of her own.
OK, I’ll bite.
This conflict didn’t start on October 7. Israel has occupied both West Bank Palestine and Gaza for nearly 60 years, and over that time has arrested and imprisoned hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. Nathan Thrall, in his impressive, just published book*, explains that during the First Intifada (1967-1993) the Israeli occupiers jailed some 700,000 Palestinian men and boys on the West Bank, roughly 40 percent of the entire male population there.
Today, the Israeli occupiers continue to arrest Palestinians, holding them for long stretches without anything resembling a fair trial. But the U.S. mainstream media never seems to describe these Palestinian people as “hostages.”
This double standard perfectly illustrates the mainstream media’s approach on how to distort the crisis. First, twist the actual reports, with one-sided language and biased framing. But second, and arguably more importantly; ignore any of the history of Israel/Palestine, so that the attack from Gaza looks like an inexplicable, unprovoked spasm of violence and Jew-hatred.
*A DAY IN THE LIFE OF ABED SALAMA
Anatomy of a Jerusalem Tragedy
by Nathan Thrall
272 pp. Metropolitan Books. $29.99Further reading:
“This double standard perfectly illustrates the mainstream media’s approach on how to distort the crisis. First, twist the actual reports, with one-sided language and biased framing. But second, and arguably more importantly; ignore any of the history of Israel/Palestine, so that the attack from Gaza looks like an inexplicable, unprovoked spasm of violence and Jew-hatred.”
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True enough but there are double standards on both sides of the debate. The cold-blooded murder of 260 young partygoers at the Supernova festival in Southern Israel can no more be justified or rationalised away than the cold-blooded murder of hundreds of people in Gaza at the hands of the Israeli military. BOTH spring from the same sociopathic mindset that the death cult of nationalism fosters. BOTH need to be unequivocally condemned for the disgusting vile acts they are.
Anyone who imagines that committing such acts is going to advance their cause by one iota is deluded in the extreme. All it has done is to stoke up the hatred both sides feel for each other and strengthen the divisions of nationalism. Sadly, the outcome is going to be yet more deaths more pain, and more misery…
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