An unsent letter
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jondwhite wrote:Thanks. Just read the letters in today's issue. Robbo, have you joined or is that a bit of Leninist license? Also good to see someone complain about letters from Freeman and Downing.
No its licence on the part of the Editors LOL
It was an excellent letter of rebuttal and the editor can be forgiven for associating Robin as a member.But i find it strange that a non-member, regardless of how close and sympathetic he is to ourselves, was the only person to respond to the unfair criticism of the SPGB especially as i had made a point of drawing the forum's attention to the need of a reply. Why the reluctance of actual members to defend the party when we are assured of publication by WW's open editorial policy?
What evidence is there that Kropotkin was an influence on the founders of the WSM? Anarchists were anti-marxist even before the capitalist class sat up and took notice. Kropotkin at one time describing Bismarckism and Marxism as 'two sides of the same coin'. Which might help to clarify why he did not oppose the First Great War.
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Bob Andrews wrote:What evidence is there that Kropotkin was an influence on the founders of the WSM? Anarchists were anti-marxist even before the capitalist class sat up and took notice. Kropotkin at one time describing Bismarckism and Marxism as 'two sides of the same coin'. Which might help to clarify why he did not oppose the First Great War.Apologies if this is also straying slightly off topic, but The Clousden Hill Free Communist and Cooperative Community was founded about 200 yards from the house I was born and brought up in and which Cde Kilgallon senior (my mother) still lives.Rumour has it that Kropotkin and Tom Mann were regular visitors and sometimes went for a drink at the Clousden Hill Hotel (where I made my debut as a drinker and whose football team Clouden Hill Celtic (139 appearances 3 goals, two broken legs (not mine) I later played). As a child I used to play in the derelict house which formed part of the commune and made tarzan swings from the decaying roof. Perhaps Kropotkin had a sub conscious influence on me?http://www.ic.org/wiki/clousden-hill/
Tim Kilgallon wrote:Rumour has it that Kropotkin and Tom Mann were regular visitors and sometimes went for a drink at the Clousden Hill Hotel (where I made my debut as a drinker and whose football team Clouden Hill Celtic (139 appearances 3 goals, two broken legs (not mine) I later played).Did ya ivver get a trial for the Mags, marra?
Another superb letter by Robin in Weekly Worker. http://weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/1168/letters/Scroll down to 'Social being'.
Tony Clark (Labour supporter) replies to Robin's letterhttp://weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/1169/letters/He accuses Robin of holding a dogmatic position and he asserts that:
Quote:In the transitional period, state ownership can be one of the forms of social ownership, its socialist character determined by whether society remains on the socialist road. Social ownership reinforces socialist consciousness, but does not create or determine it. That is why it’s possible for people to believe in socialism in capitalist countries.Hopefully Robin is aware of the follow-up letter and can answer for himself…but in case his work commitments in Spain hinders his online presence, someone from the forum can respond.My own thoughts is that of Paresh…that during WW2 was America or Germany any closer to socialism because it took the economy under State command and control?But maybe i misunderstood this debate on transitions.
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