Amendment to Rule 8.

[lindanesocialist]

moderator2 wrote:

However, when we prove to be malicious or incompetent or dictatorial, we hope there will be a move for our dismissal as moderators but until that time, we can only take the silence from the majority of forum users as implied approval of our actions. 

 Or our criticism

[lindanesocialist]

I cannot understand why anyone would chose to spend valuable time policing and preventing a member from actively promoting socialism and the party Most of Vin's 'breaches' were petty and he has overly apologised, yet the IC and EC persist in attempting to stamp out his initiatives and  activities and forcing him away from the party. I am amazed that the new mods have continued with this fiasco

[moderator1]

lindanesocialist wrote:

I cannot understand why anyone would chose to spend valuable time policing and preventing a member from actively promoting socialism and the party Most of Vin's 'breaches' were petty and he has overly apologised, yet the IC and EC persist in attempting to stamp out his initiatives and  activities and forcing him away from the party. I am amazed that the new mods have continued with this fiasco

If indeed Vin has made an apology it would be appreciated if you could PM the moderators with the evidence.

[lindanesocialist]

moderator1 wrote:

 If indeed Vin has made an apology it would be appreciated if you could PM the moderators with the evidence.

 Moderators decision on Cde. Maratty's indefinite forum ban#21 Tim Kilgallon wrote:On Vin's side, if he could acknowledge that he has stepped out of line at times, has been very offensive, at times and has been provocative at times, I'm sure this would help. If he could also agree that he will try very hard not to be as difficult, accept that the mods have a difficult job to do and agree to try and stop being such a little "worky ticket" (he knows what that means). Perhaps all parties could agree to move forward, with Vin's right to post restored and some form of sanity restored.Vin said:Remove the word very and I will support every word. But then I have admitted all this in the past.  And have been left humiliated There is more but this is probably the latest  

[moderator1]

lindanesocialist wrote:

moderator1 wrote:

 If indeed Vin has made an apology it would be appreciated if you could PM the moderators with the evidence.

 Moderators decision on Cde. Maratty's indefinite forum ban#21 Tim Kilgallon wrote:On Vin's side, if he could acknowledge that he has stepped out of line at times, has been very offensive, at times and has been provocative at times, I'm sure this would help. If he could also agree that he will try very hard not to be as difficult, accept that the mods have a difficult job to do and agree to try and stop being such a little "worky ticket" (he knows what that means). Perhaps all parties could agree to move forward, with Vin's right to post restored and some form of sanity restored.Vin said:Remove the word very and I will support every word. But then I have admitted all this in the past.  And have been left humiliated There is more but this is probably the latest  

Thank you for such an early response.  I strongly advise Vin to inform the EC that he wishes to make an appeal to have his indefinite suspension lifted on the grounds of the above statement.

[lindanesocialist]

It is not up to the EC. It is up to the moderators who posts on this forum not the EC. Unless you can refer me to the relevant forum rule as I cannot find refence to EC appeals

[moderator2]

The moderators have already confirmed an earlier decision to impose an indefinite suspension. We advised that if Cde. Maratty sought to have this suspension revoked, he had an avenue to do so – to request that the EC over-rule the moderators. The numerous messages and PMs directed to ourselves since we collectively came to that decision, has not swayed us in our judgement.   

[moderator3]

lindanesocialist wrote:

It is not up to the EC. It is up to the moderators who posts on this forum not the EC. Unless you can refer me to the relevant forum rule as I cannot find refence to EC appeals

Would you be able to inform us of the procedures Vin has been made aware of during past suspensions? And whether or not he made use of them? Thanks.

[lindanesocialist]

moderator3 wrote:

lindanesocialist wrote:

It is not up to the EC. It is up to the moderators who posts on this forum not the EC. Unless you can refer me to the relevant forum rule as I cannot find refence to EC appeals

Would you be able to inform us of the procedures Vin has been made aware of during past suspensions? And whether or not he made use of them? Thanks.

He has been informed that he must make an act of contrition to the EC.Where are these procedures written down? I have never heard of a forum member having to appeal to the EC against an indefinite but I stand to be corrected if you can refer me to the relevant documents regarding such procedure. How many other forum members have appealed to the ECComradely

[lindanesocialist]

moderator2 wrote:

 to request that the EC over-rule the moderators.

This is news. I was under the impression that the EC had banned Vin and the Mods hands were tiedSo the existing 3 moderators  have the authority to reinstate Vin but refuse to unless their hand is forced by the EC?So what is it.?Mods refusing or EC refusing?     

[moderator1]

lindanesocialist wrote:

moderator2 wrote:

 to request that the EC over-rule the moderators.

This is news. I was under the impression that the EC had banned Vin and the Mods hands were tiedSo the existing 3 moderators  have the authority to reinstate Vin but refuse to unless their hand is forced by the EC?So what is it.?Mods refusing or EC refusing?

Neither really.  The mods are saying they can't reinstate Vin with his suspension being passed by the IC to the EC.   So it's now down to the EC to reinstate him.  But the EC hand's are tied until they have a request from Vin to lift the appeal.If the EC orders the IC to reinstate Vin we'll do the business this end, no problem.  But Vin has to approach the EC before we can do anything.

[lindanesocialist]

moderator1 wrote:

Neither really.  The mods are saying they can't reinstate Vin with his suspension being passed by the IC to the EC.   So it's now down to the EC to reinstate him.  But the EC hand's are tied until they have a request from Vin to lift the appeal.If the EC orders the IC to reinstate Vin we'll do the business this end, no problem.  But Vin has to approach the EC before we can do anything.

Thanks for the clarity comrade, just for confirmation can you refer me to  the EC resolution suspending Vin from the Forum. It is something I have missed or overlooked and would clear up a lot of the confusionTho it is still a little confusing as Mod2 uses the term 'EC overule the mods'  decision to suspend him.  What does that mean?thanks

[moderator3]

lindanesocialist wrote:

moderator3 wrote:

lindanesocialist wrote:

It is not up to the EC. It is up to the moderators who posts on this forum not the EC. Unless you can refer me to the relevant forum rule as I cannot find refence to EC appeals

Would you be able to inform us of the procedures Vin has been made aware of during past suspensions? And whether or not he made use of them? Thanks.

He has been informed that he must make an act of contrition to the EC.Where are these procedures written down? I have never heard of a forum member having to appeal to the EC against an indefinite but I stand to be corrected if you can refer me to the relevant documents regarding such procedure. How many other forum members have appealed to the ECComradely

Fair enough, you are under no obligation to answer my enquiry. I can only assume during previous suspensions, of which there have been a few, Vin has been informed of the procedure for challenging moderator decisions.

[lindanesocialist]

moderator3 wrote:

 Fair enough, you are under no obligation to answer my enquiry. I can only assume during previous suspensions, of which there have been a few, Vin has been informed of the procedure for challenging moderator decisions.

Quite.   but he has never had to write to the EC: nor has anyone else 

[lindanesocialist]

moderator1 wrote:Neither really.  The mods are saying they can't reinstate Vin with his suspension being passed by the IC to the EC.   So it's now down to the EC to reinstate him.  But the EC hand's are tied until they have a request from Vin to lift the appeal.If the EC orders the IC to reinstate Vin we'll do the business this end, no problem.  But Vin has to approach the EC before we can do anything. Moderator2 wroteThe moderators have already confirmed an earlier decision to impose an indefinite suspension. We advised that if Cde. Maratty sought to have this suspension revoked, he had an avenue to do so – to request that the EC over-rule the moderators.  I am sure you can understand my confusion? 

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